Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

I'm just going to chime in on this one.

Remember when Jesus told Peter that he would deny him?

Peter was shocked and all like 'I would NEVER do that Lord'

And then he did.

Does that make Peter an Antichrist? Obviously not. He was the one whom Jesus said 'You are my rock' to and the one whom he said 'This is your mother' (in reference to Mary) from the cross.

So yes. Jesus himself experienced betrayal from his own apostles. Judas also sold him out for a few Silver coins. And then realising the gravity of what he'd just fine I took his own life. Peter in that other hand repented and went on to become one of great apostles in the Bible post resurrection.

And yes I agree with Jerry, you absolutely CAN lose your salvation. Being baptized is only the beginning of your walk. If you follow Christ and the law of love in the Bible you'll be saved as is the promise. But nowhere in there does it say that you can't lose your salvation. In fact Paul went around telling the early churches there were Jesusing wrong and some of them would not inherit God's kingdom.

One thing God is revealing to me at the moment is an why sin is bad. It's not solely because we're breaking rules. It's because we are violating the laws of true love. And when you are not acting in love it has ripple effects that send shockwaves through humanity and time itself. One little thoughtless indiscretion can affect so many people and set into motion chains of events that cause a soul to become lost.

I truly wish I could show you the vision God has given me. If you saw it you'd never want to sin again and you'd become the most loving person on this earth it's that awful.

There is a reason why Jesus said 'Love thy neighbour' is the greatest commandment of them all. It's because if you do this above all else you'll be walking in love and spreading God's light.

So strict rule following without love achieves nothing. Loving your neighbours and forgiving achieves everything.

John said they were never of us

do we listen to John or Jerry?

I'm just going to chime in on this one.
Remember when Jesus told Peter that he would deny him?
Peter was shocked and all like 'I would NEVER do that Lord'
And then he did.

Does that make Peter an Antichrist? Obviously not. He was the one whom Jesus said 'You are my
rock' to and the one whom he said 'This is your mother' (in reference to Mary) from the cross.

many will CLAIM to have faith

that does not mean they are saved

once again, our life is eternal not conditional

he who began a good work will complete it, why do you lack faith?

I don't lack faith, but you lack understanding that people can come to faith and fall away.

You do lack faith, that eternal life is eternal, and that God will complete the work he started

they never had true faith, you can claim it a million times that will not make it true

Lo

Look who is judging now.

so it’s ok for you but not anyone else?

hypocritical much!

I did not judge your salvation I just judged your faith

God will judge your salvation i am not God, like you seem to think you are judging my salvation

Peter never stopped believing

he denied to some people in fear that he knew him

huge difference,

That's a ....dangling participle.

This is all very interesting coming from you who claim to be lovers of and followers of Jesus.

That's a ....dangling participle.
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How can anyone believe in Christ and deny Him?

Peter never stopped believing

he denied to some people in fear that he knew him

huge difference,

On the one hand you say a man can live his entire life running with the devil and be saved in the last moments of his life. On the other hand you say a man following Christ his entire life who renounces his faith in the last moments of his life was never saved.

Or are you saying that atonement is indeed limited, as John Calvin put it?

That's a ....dangling participle.
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How can anyone believe in Christ and deny Him?

Peter denied he knew Jesus three times.

Whether it was fear or whatever, the point is that his faith was not strong enough to stand with Jesus and stand up to admit it

Don't forget, Peter was then one who Jesus got to walk on the water with him. He'd experienced great miracles and yet his faith shriveled during Jesus' most dark hours.

What about the thief on the crosss?

I don't believe in limited atonement.

Yes!

and Jesus forgave him, without even asking him to repent or confess. And Peter ended up being stronger for it, as someone else said, in the end he was martyred,

Is atonement limited?

And I would ask

What is eternal

we understand what life is, it s being made alive in christ

what what does the eternal aspect have

if it can end is it eternal? If it is temporary, is it eternal? If it is conditional, is it eternal

jesus said in john 3 and john 6 they will never perish, the will never die, they will live forever.

does eternal NOT mean eternal? Does NEVER not mean never, does FOREVER not mean forever?

its God who made this promise did God lie?