Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson

You have denied God's sovereign will, God's omnipotence, and God's authority to have mercy on whomever HE chooses to have mercy, and to harden whomever HE wants to harden.

God is not a puppet master but a chain breaker and a way maker

It doesn't matter to me how it was that God forced me out of my pleasure-filled hedonistic living, and I don't care that you say God is a brute because HE "forced" HIS gifts on me. That name-calling of God is on you.

I am eternally grateful that HE ripped me from the depths of depravity and by the power and force of HIS Holy Spirit filled me with HIS gifts of salvation repentance and faith. Thank you Lord ❤

The law commands I be sinless in order to be counted righteous and be justified before God by the law.
If the point of the law is to show me I am not sinless, then isn't the law requiring things of me that I can't provide?
Why is the law full of atoning sacrifices? Isn't it because they are clearly necessary owing to my inability to be sinless?

But it's what The Bible says is true...
Salvation is either a FREE GIFT procured and realized by faith ALONE in Jesus Christ ALONE

If God CAUSES all things, then man CANNOT be responsible for God's choices. That would be literally insane.

The law commands I be sinless in order to be counted righteous and be justified before God by the law.
If the point of the law is to show me I am not sinless, then isn't the law requiring things of me that I can't provide?
Why is the law full of atoning sacrifices? Isn't it because they are clearly necessary owing to my inability to be sinless?

I know that this may be a controversial subject.

Could you please share the scripture that says we are saved by “faith alone”?

I have heard people say this, but have never seen a verse that says this.

I ask this because faith alone, all by itself is dead, and can not save.

Man can choose temporal things, i.e., whether to have eggs or pancakes, where to vacation, with whom to associate, places to frequent for entertainment, etc. However, no one has freedom to choose the spiritual things of God because all people are spiritually dead. When the spiritually dead are regenerated, we are given spiritual soundness and the ability to discern spiritual things, which occurs all when God confers upon us HIS sovereign grace in regeneration and gifts us salvation repentance and faith.

Jeremiah knew the power and FORCE of almighty God:

Lamentations 3:

Man can choose temporal things, i.e., whether to have eggs or pancakes, where to vacation, with whom to associate, places to frequent for entertainment, etc. However, no one has freedom to choose the spiritual things of God because all people are spiritually dead. When the spiritually dead are regenerated, we are given spiritual soundness and the ability to discern spiritual things, which occurs all when God confers upon us HIS sovereign grace in regeneration and gifts us salvation repentance and faith.

Jeremiah knew the power and FORCE of almighty God:

Lamentations 3:
1Ia am the man who has seen affliction
under the rod of God’s wrath.
2He has driven me away and made me walk in darkness instead of light.
3Indeed, He keeps turning His hand
against me all day long.
4He has worn away my flesh and skin;
He has shattered my bones.
5He has besieged me and surrounded me
with bitterness and hardship.
6He has made me dwell in darkness
like those dead for ages.
7He has walled me in so I cannot escape;
He has weighed me down with chains.
8Even when I cry out and plead for help,
He shuts out my prayer.
9He has barred my ways with cut stones;
He has made my paths crooked.
10He is a bear lying in wait,
a lion hiding in ambush.
11He forced me off my path and tore me to pieces; He left me without help.
12He bent His bow
and set me as the target for His arrow.
13He pierced my kidneys with His arrows.
14I am a laughingstock to all my people;
they mock me in song all day long.
15He has filled me with bitterness;
He has intoxicated me with wormwood.
16He has ground my teeth with gravel
and trampled me in the dust.
17My soul has been deprived of peace;
I have forgotten what prosperity is.
18So I say, “My strength has perished,
along with my hope from the LORD.”
19Remember my affliction and wandering, the wormwood and the gall.
20Surely my soul remembers
and is humbled within me.
21Yet I call this to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
22Because of the loving devotionb of the LORD we are not consumed,
for His mercies never fail.
23They are new every morning;
great is Your faithfulness!
24“The LORD is my portion,” says my soul,
“therefore I will hope in Him.”
25The LORD is good to those who wait for Him, to the soul who seeks Him.
26It is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.
27It is good for a man to bear the yoke
while he is still young.
28Let him sit alone in silence,
for God has disciplined him.
29Let him bury his face in the dust—
perhaps there is still hope.
30Let him offer his cheek to the one who would strike him; let him be filled with reproach.
31For the Lord will not cast us off forever.
32Even if He causes grief, He will show compassion according to His abundant loving devotion.
33For He does not willingly afflict or grieve the sons of men.
34To crush underfoot all the prisoners of the land,
35to deny a man justice before the Most High,
36to subvert a man in his lawsuit—
of these the Lord does not approve.
37Who has spoken and it came to pass,
unless the Lord has ordained it?
38Do not both adversity and good
come from the mouth of the Most High?
39Why should any mortal man complain,
in view of his sins?
40Let us examine and test our ways,
and turn back to the LORD.
41Let us lift up our hearts and hands
to God in heaven:
42“We have sinned and rebelled; You have not forgiven.”
43You have covered Yourself in anger and pursued us; You have killed without pity.
44You have covered Yourself with a cloud
that no prayer can pass through.
45You have made us scum and refuse
among the nations.
46All our enemies open their mouths against us.
47Panic and pitfall have come upon us—
devastation and destruction.
48Streams of tears flow from my eyes
over the destruction of the daughter of my people.
49My eyes overflow unceasingly,
without relief,
50until the LORD looks down from heaven and sees.
51My eyes bring grief to my soul
because of all the daughters of my city.
52Without cause my enemies
hunted me like a bird.
53They dropped me alive into a pit
and cast stones upon me.
54The waters flowed over my head,
and I thought I was going to die.
55I called on Your name, O LORD,
out of the depths of the Pit.
56You heard my plea: “Do not ignore my cry for relief.”
57You drew near when I called on You;
You said, “Do not be afraid.”
58You defend my cause, O Lord; You redeem my life.
59You have seen, O LORD, the wrong done to me; vindicate my cause!
60You have seen all their malice,
all their plots against me.
61O LORD, You have heard their insults,
all their plots against me—
62the slander and murmuring of my assailants against me all day long.
63When they sit and when they rise,
see how they mock me in song.
64You will pay them back what they deserve, O LORD, according to the work of their hands.
65Put a veil of anguish over their hearts;
may Your curse be upon them!
66You will pursue them in anger and exterminate them from under Your heavens, O LORD."

@FreeGrace2 knows everything, and she's right about all things Biblical. At least that is what she has been telling me. In fact, @FreeGrace2 has a sovereign will that can thwart God's sovereign will to save @FreeGrace2, and anyone else, for that matter.

Sorry. He.

God didn't create mankind as a plaything to toy with.

This is pathetic beyond belief. Oh, and petty as well.

But again, God did NOT create man to toy with. As your claims indicate.

You are in denial.

Jeremiah the prophet, to whom God spoke and who spoke for God, makes clear that God can do whatever HE wants with us.

You are in serious total denial.

FreeGrace2 said:
God didn't create mankind as a plaything to toy with.

Said the denier of truth. Mankind was NOT created to be a plaything for God. But all that you describe is just that. That is what I deny.


If you think this means that mankind is God's plaything, you have a serious discernment problem.


God did NOT create man to be a toy, a plaything.

None of the verses you copied and pasted supports your "plaything theology". None of it.

Thinking you are right in your own mind does not make it so.

God can make you do whatever God wants to make you do

You said plaything, not me. Stop attributing terms to me that I don't use. When you do that it makes you a liar.

FreeGrace2 said:
This is pathetic beyond belief. Oh, and petty as well.

But again, God did NOT create man to toy with. As your claims indicate.

I wish you could realize how silly this is. You are the one who CANNOT find any Scripture that says what you claim so confidently, and you think that I think I'm right "in my own mind".

You couldn't be more wrong. I know I'm right because there are NO verses that support your plaything theology, plus I've shown you that man has free choice in a number of verses, all of which you have denied.


What you fail to grasp is that He doesn't. Because He can doesn't mean He does. You are seriously in error.

That's right. I did. I am only describing what you theology is. Puppets and robots are playthings to toy with.

That's exactly how you present God, as a puppet master or robot programmer, and you seem even proud to be a toy.

You cannot explain how your theology works since the Bible says man is accountable.

If man is accountable, yet God makes all the choices and FORCES all the actions, man cannot be accountable.

It doesn't take a lot of discernment to understand this. It's quite easy, in fact.

I asked for the verses so I could see the translation and wording. But you failed to do so. Why is that?