The Holy Spirit helps us in keeping the commandments
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it has nothing to do with salvation as we are not worthy but for the work of the cross,
Luke 21:36 So keep watch at all times, and pray that you
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
to be worthy to escape the wrath of God which is the tribulation, caught up by Jesus to meet the Lord in the air
Luke 21:36 So keep watch at all times, and pray that you
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
to be worthy to escape the wrath of God which is the tribulation, caught up by Jesus to meet the Lord in the air
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Yeah... this is why I've been distancing myself from this particular thread.
I've made my case. Opinions have been expressed, and now a dead horse is being beaten. Plus, should I waste so much God-given time on going around in circles with people who cannot disagree with me respectfully?
It's been fun, I made my case, got some back-up, but now it's time to see what other topics Christians can find to argue about
Folks, I need to make a recommendation to every member of this site: Watch your words. I had an issue with Ebeth, but never became disrespectful or insulting. She may have been offended, but not because I became sophomoric towards her.
Know that...
A) Christ is watching.
B) There may be non-Christians here who want to see what Christians are like. Well crap, that ship seems to have sailed.
C) You ought to speak to people here the way you would if you were standing two feet from them making eye-to-eye contact. Don't allow the anonymity of the internet to give freedom to those darker impulses some of you say you no longer have.
This is just my 5¢. I don't expect most to take these points seriously, since, like I said, I joined this site knowing what I would find. But, I thought I'd give it the old college try.
I've made my case. Opinions have been expressed, and now a dead horse is being beaten. Plus, should I waste so much God-given time on going around in circles with people who cannot disagree with me respectfully?
It's been fun, I made my case, got some back-up, but now it's time to see what other topics Christians can find to argue about
Folks, I need to make a recommendation to every member of this site: Watch your words. I had an issue with Ebeth, but never became disrespectful or insulting. She may have been offended, but not because I became sophomoric towards her.
Know that...
A) Christ is watching.
B) There may be non-Christians here who want to see what Christians are like. Well crap, that ship seems to have sailed.
C) You ought to speak to people here the way you would if you were standing two feet from them making eye-to-eye contact. Don't allow the anonymity of the internet to give freedom to those darker impulses some of you say you no longer have.
This is just my 5¢. I don't expect most to take these points seriously, since, like I said, I joined this site knowing what I would find. But, I thought I'd give it the old college try.
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I never said or implied that you were addressing me. I saw a statement you made, unrelated to the main topic, and thought I'd help. And all you've done is falsely accuse me and talk crap.
For all your complaining about everyone else here maybe you need to look in the mirror. I didn't come at you in any negative way and all you've done run your mouth at me, and not even about anything true.
Your character is shown, and it's lacking greatly. I'm done with you.
For all your complaining about everyone else here maybe you need to look in the mirror. I didn't come at you in any negative way and all you've done run your mouth at me, and not even about anything true.
Your character is shown, and it's lacking greatly. I'm done with you.
God Said {"BREATHED Out" Inspired (1 Timothy 3:16)}
To Paul, and Then he wrote God's WORDS In:
Col 1:12 "Giving thanks unto The Father, Which Hath Made us
meet {WORTHY} to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:"
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(1) Yes, Paul had Gratitude, as we should Also have, That:
(2) The ENTIRE {WORTHY} Body Of CHRIST Will Depart at rapture:
(3) Because:
a) 1Th 1:10 And to wait for His SON from heaven, Whom He raised from the dead, even JESUS, Which {Already} DELIVERED us from the wrath to come.
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(b) 1Th 5:9 For God Hath NOT APPOINTED us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Amen?
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!
To Paul, and Then he wrote God's WORDS In:
Col 1:12 "Giving thanks unto The Father, Which Hath Made us
meet {WORTHY} to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:"
:
(1) Yes, Paul had Gratitude, as we should Also have, That:
(2) The ENTIRE {WORTHY} Body Of CHRIST Will Depart at rapture:
(3) Because:
a) 1Th 1:10 And to wait for His SON from heaven, Whom He raised from the dead, even JESUS, Which {Already} DELIVERED us from the wrath to come.
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(b) 1Th 5:9 For God Hath NOT APPOINTED us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Amen?
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!
I understand that you asked a person who tells us they live in repentance of sin if the sin. I don't see how you can put a nice polite face on such a question to ask of a person who is following the Lord. All Christians who listen to the Lord knows that their wanting to be sin free only makes them sin free through what Christ did for them.
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Great, now can you check off this list one by one? https://believersportal.com/list-sins-bible/
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If all you are doing is keep the commandments, you are falling far short of God's standard. The sermon on the mount tells us that. God has replaced the law of "thou shalt/thou shalt not" with the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. If we are walking in the Spirit, then all is well and God is pleased. If we are not, then no matter how correct we may appear to be, God is not pleased. So no, the Holy Spirit does not help us. He is the Life of Christ within us. In heaven I died and my life is hidden in Christ with God. On earth, it is Christ in me, the hope of glory. I will never be able to take any credit for anything to do with my Christian life. I was saved by grace the day I was born again. I was saved by grace the next day. 50 years later, I'm still saved by grace. You can substitute "life" for grace. (Romans 5:10)
A bird flies because it is a bird, not because it knows the theory of aerodynamics. We need to quit trying to be what God has already made us to be.
A bird flies because it is a bird, not because it knows the theory of aerodynamics. We need to quit trying to be what God has already made us to be.
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The sin checklist thing is definitely not a good idea. Been there done that before. Failed every time. The harder I would try the more I failed in something. All I got from that was guilt and shame. I was definitely not free from the power of sin.
It can get pretty confusing at times.
You have one group of people telling you all the things that you "have to do" and yet, you see them struggling and failing too. That is the "workers for salvation" that way fails every time. They are not walking in Jesus' strength they are trying to walk in their own strength. They think that their work will somehow make them worthy. They are walking in themselves. They are not free from the power of sin.
Then, you have another group keeping the ten commandments and not failing in the "big sins"...So they think they are perfect and don't have any sin. The self righteous. In their view, they sit high above all judging the sins of others. Yet, they are in themselves and also failing horribly. They are not free from the power of sin.
Then, you have another group, who tell you that you can live anyway you want. They say that since Jesus died and paid the penalty for our sins, we are saved and no longer have to worry about sin...which is true...sin has no more dominion of us. Yet, they fail in that they don't really put any faith in Jesus that he can help them overcome. They allow sin to have dominion over them. They are self willed and seeking self pleasure. They are not concerned with the will of God and do not really put their faith and trust in him, either. They are following their own will and are in themselves. They are not free from the power of sin.
There has to be another way, right.
This is pretty difficult for me to explain it all, but I will try.
Jesus came to set us free from the power of sin. He did not fail. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. The key to this, is loving God above all else and putting all faith in the Jesus Christ our Lord. We are dead and buried with Christ. We are a new man...the spirit is regenerated and we now have access to the Father. There is no longer a separation between us and God. We are now in Christ and the Father sees us through Christ. Scripture even tells us that we have the mind of Christ. He has made us to sit together in heavenly places with Christ far above all power and principalities.
The enemy doesn't want anyone to know or believe that because he is the accuser of the brethren. He wants to keep us held down in guilt and shame so that we can't truly put our faith in Christ, walk in the Spirit, and experience the freedom that is in Him.
It can get pretty confusing at times.
You have one group of people telling you all the things that you "have to do" and yet, you see them struggling and failing too. That is the "workers for salvation" that way fails every time. They are not walking in Jesus' strength they are trying to walk in their own strength. They think that their work will somehow make them worthy. They are walking in themselves. They are not free from the power of sin.
Then, you have another group keeping the ten commandments and not failing in the "big sins"...So they think they are perfect and don't have any sin. The self righteous. In their view, they sit high above all judging the sins of others. Yet, they are in themselves and also failing horribly. They are not free from the power of sin.
Then, you have another group, who tell you that you can live anyway you want. They say that since Jesus died and paid the penalty for our sins, we are saved and no longer have to worry about sin...which is true...sin has no more dominion of us. Yet, they fail in that they don't really put any faith in Jesus that he can help them overcome. They allow sin to have dominion over them. They are self willed and seeking self pleasure. They are not concerned with the will of God and do not really put their faith and trust in him, either. They are following their own will and are in themselves. They are not free from the power of sin.
There has to be another way, right.
This is pretty difficult for me to explain it all, but I will try.
Jesus came to set us free from the power of sin. He did not fail. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. The key to this, is loving God above all else and putting all faith in the Jesus Christ our Lord. We are dead and buried with Christ. We are a new man...the spirit is regenerated and we now have access to the Father. There is no longer a separation between us and God. We are now in Christ and the Father sees us through Christ. Scripture even tells us that we have the mind of Christ. He has made us to sit together in heavenly places with Christ far above all power and principalities.
The enemy doesn't want anyone to know or believe that because he is the accuser of the brethren. He wants to keep us held down in guilt and shame so that we can't truly put our faith in Christ, walk in the Spirit, and experience the freedom that is in Him.
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I don't think that we can say God replaced the law, Christ put it this way: "you have been told". Christ didn't say what you have been told was wrong, in fact he made a point of telling us he changed nothing of the Father.
When Christ explained the changes it was more explaining the true spirit of the law, the law in stone is incomplete (without love) so could be interpreted wrong, but it was given by the holy father, what God gives is always truth, not wrong information.
When Christ explained the changes it was more explaining the true spirit of the law, the law in stone is incomplete (without love) so could be interpreted wrong, but it was given by the holy father, what God gives is always truth, not wrong information.
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What your are teaching is actually the opposite of what JUDE was teaching, which is your confusion.
Jude taught that there are ministers of the Devil, who teach that the Grace of God, when taught correctly as the "gift of Salvation".....is teaching "license".
That's the devil's lie, as the Devil's wants to subvert the Grace of God.
In other words, the devil's ministers teach that GRACE isn't Grace, its License, as their way to try to twist the Grace of God into the idea of "license'"....to then promote commandment keeping legalism, in place of God's Grace.
Jude teaches that when we find these deceivers, who are trying to present God's Grace as "license", then we are to contend against them, and point out that they are contradicting the Cross by teaching SELF SAVING LEGALISM< as "keep the commandments", vs, "believe that Jesus keeps you saved".
Thats what you are doing here.
And i would believe that you have posted this Cut and Paste Theology on many forums, and not just this one.
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Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Do people who preach keeping a 7th day sabbath just not read the NT? Or just not understand?
How does the bible describe these people... Stiffnecked? If they don't understand the bible and don't listen to Paul or Christ what are the chances they would listen to anyone else?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Do people who preach keeping a 7th day sabbath just not read the NT? Or just not understand?
How does the bible describe these people... Stiffnecked? If they don't understand the bible and don't listen to Paul or Christ what are the chances they would listen to anyone else?
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