predestination vs freewill

Whom God foreknew, He predestined, called, justified, and glorified.

Paul said it. That settles it.

Predestined to be CONFORMED = "Into the image of Jesus".......happens after you are born again..

So, God has created Salvation to END UP, with you "conformed into the image of Christ", in the end.
That is what is predestined..
the "conforming".

You are not predestined to be born again. You are predestined to be CONFORMED INTO The Image of Christ = After you are born again.
The end result of Salvation, is what is "pre-destined", to happen.

Correct. But I asked if predestination or calling came first.

Paul said that the final conforming of a born again christian, "into the image of Christ" = is what is predestined.
Thats what he teaches.

Calling.

Do they speak english and write it on forums like you do?
Then use an english bible, but not the NIV.

Correct. But I asked if predestination or calling came first.

That's not the point of contention though, so I don't know how it would support your misapplication of predestination as a designation (simply because the words sound similar?) of "those who love Him."

So born again happens before calling and justification?

The point of contention is that it is being stated that predestination happens after conversion. Romans 8:29-30 refute that
According to this passage, which comes first?

Predestination or calling and justification?

The point of contention is that it is being stated by Kidron that predestination happens after conversion. Romans 8:29-30 refute that
According to this passage, which comes first?

Predestination or calling and justification?

Lets say all of us meet in a nice room and im preaching.
Some bring a lost friend, or lost family member, or lost neighbor.
You tell me before the service....>"i brought my lost brother"..
So, i know there are unbelievers in the audience before i start.
Im an evangelist who has a teaching anointing, and i'm a minstrel so, i'll sing and play, also.
Ive led worship.....all of it.
We will worship God and give some love to Jesus....
All of this...
We the believers will set the atmosphere so that it give awe and wonder and reverence to God and Christ and the Cross and the word of God.

Now, because i also know that some are believers, i will teach first, then i will turn the service into an alter call.
I will do this.

I will : "Preach the Cross", as "the Cross is the power of God unto Salvation".


I will talk about the blood of Jesus and sin, and how sin keeps you out of heaven unless its forgiven and resolved by Christ's Cross, Blood, Death, and resurrection.

While im preaching this message of the CROSS..........this happens...= .."Jesus said....>If i be lifted up, i will draw all men to me".

See that?
And i just LIFTED UP THE CROSS and JESUS ON IT......by preaching it, ...........
See it?
Now the Holy Spirit is working in the room, in the hearts......>>He is DRAWING, He is opening hearts to the truth that Jesus is SAVIOR and they need HIM.......they need to be SAVED".....

Some will come to this LIGHT and trust Christ in their SEAT........others will come to the alter and WEEP tears of FAITH.
God sees all this in their HEARTS, and He takes that FAITH and He give them His Son's RIGHTEOUSNESS.
"faith is counted as righteousness".....>"Justification BY faith".
They BELIEVE and are born again.

And from that day, they begin their journey to the final destination, which is pre-destined to happen to everyone who BELIEVES..
They will be finally, in the end.....>>"conformed into the image of CHRIST", as that is pre-destined to happen to all who are born again.

That's not the point of contention though, so I don't know how it would support your misapplication of predestination as a designation (simply because the words sound similar?) of "those who love Him."

You cant be conformed into the image of Christ until you are born again.

You have to BELIEVE first.

You can't believe unless you HEAR THE MESSAGE, so that '"""Faith comes by HEARING".

Paul says otherwise. Romans 8:29-30

You are teaching your theology, claiming its Paul.

Paul never teaches that God pre-destines people to be born again, and neither does John, or any Apostle.

Paul was chosen before the foundation of the world , predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ, just like all believers.

All believers come to God by FREE WILL, which is FAITH.
God receives this faith to give them the blood atonement and the new birth.
Once that happens, they are going live till they die, or are Raptured.....and once dead or raptured they will be "conformed into the image of Christ", including a NEW BODY, as that is pre-destined to happen to all who are born again.

We will worship God and give some love to Jesus....

Are you saying that Chinese only speaking and Chinese only readers can not read the Bible unless it's in KJV English? Are you a Ruckmanite?

God has a clear foreknowledge of predestination in eternity past, then the calling, justifying, and glorifying occurs in that sequence.

Romans 8:29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

We are not talking about being conformed. We are talking about being predestined to be conformed.