Obedient Woman
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I'm from the south.... maybe it is like its own little country...idk...lol
We all know men and women can be good or bad.
Hopefully, any woman would know better than to rob a bank just because her husband said so....
I'm talking about a man laying down the law to his wife based solely upon his own interest or just because he wants to control her instead of making decisions out of love, respect, and what is best for their family.
If a man is making reckless and stupid decisions in any area do you think a woman should be submissive and obedient to him in whatever decision he makes?
Let's say maybe in the financial area. He wants to live above their means...making stupid choices with finances and things like that should a woman just follow along with his reckless choices even if that means that their family will end up suffering from the poor choices?
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I don't know the reason but so often in a marriage one person will be a spender and one person a saver of money...no idea why it is...just that I've heard this a lot over the years.
It's not a sufficient reason for divorce but often it can lead to one when the two can't learn to get along and try to make the other one happy.
And FYI...gender doesn't seem to be a condition for who is the spender or saver... despite what my FIL and father says. (They claim it's always her fault)
It's not a sufficient reason for divorce but often it can lead to one when the two can't learn to get along and try to make the other one happy.
And FYI...gender doesn't seem to be a condition for who is the spender or saver... despite what my FIL and father says. (They claim it's always her fault)
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I'm not saying that it constitutes getting a divorce or that it is always and only men that have this problem. I'm just asking if anyone thinks that a woman should just go along with it, submit and be obedient, and not even question a man in this or any other area in which he may be making poor decisions.
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Of course not...
Of course she is supposed to say something and try to get him to see reason...and of course remind him of every instance he did the wrong thing the whole time that she has known him...(as is usually the custom)
And yes, I'm being facetious with my answer. It's just that I've been married successfully for a very long time and know how this usually works.
I depend on my wife for telling me things that I don't necessarily want to hear...and she does the same. Both of us have our strengths... ignoring those talents is like hiring a lawyer but not letting him talk to the judge.
Of course she is supposed to say something and try to get him to see reason...and of course remind him of every instance he did the wrong thing the whole time that she has known him...(as is usually the custom)
And yes, I'm being facetious with my answer. It's just that I've been married successfully for a very long time and know how this usually works.
I depend on my wife for telling me things that I don't necessarily want to hear...and she does the same. Both of us have our strengths... ignoring those talents is like hiring a lawyer but not letting him talk to the judge.
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Head of, not Lord of. Let's make this clear. This can be taken in an extreme direction. Men here talk a lot about feminism and it's influence, I'm not for feminism. On the other side of the coin there are men who haven't grown up in Christ, and while you may treat your wife with honor and love, we have men who do not do that and claim to be Christians. Mature men in Christ, like yourself, ought to be as quick to correct them as they are women they think are out of line.
Here's an example. We had a single young lady in our church. She was a singer, she had many talents, she was sweet, humorous and outgoing. She met a guy from a non- denominational college somewhere in Maine I believe, she attended. She came back with her husband and my parents invited them to supper one evening. I was in my teens. Audra walked in behind her husband and didn't say a word. She let her husband do almost all of the talking. She was dressed like an 80 yr. old woman. It was like she was a complete stranger. We sat to eat and she sat, quiet as a mouse, as her husband bragged on himself. My mother noticed she wasn't eating and she said she wasn't allowed to eat unless the food was passed to her, she wasn't allowed to reach for food. She was meek, totally different from her former self, quietly listening to her husband talk. We didn't see her again until years later, she divorced him and was singing in a bar, she had left the church. I say again, there is a difference between "head" and "Lord".
Here's an example. We had a single young lady in our church. She was a singer, she had many talents, she was sweet, humorous and outgoing. She met a guy from a non- denominational college somewhere in Maine I believe, she attended. She came back with her husband and my parents invited them to supper one evening. I was in my teens. Audra walked in behind her husband and didn't say a word. She let her husband do almost all of the talking. She was dressed like an 80 yr. old woman. It was like she was a complete stranger. We sat to eat and she sat, quiet as a mouse, as her husband bragged on himself. My mother noticed she wasn't eating and she said she wasn't allowed to eat unless the food was passed to her, she wasn't allowed to reach for food. She was meek, totally different from her former self, quietly listening to her husband talk. We didn't see her again until years later, she divorced him and was singing in a bar, she had left the church. I say again, there is a difference between "head" and "Lord".
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What does LOVE do? Obedience is evidence of LOVE.
It is our flesh/carnal nature that rebels against obedience…it wants it’s own way…and masters have obligations to their servants too but, they also rebel against obedience to their obligations as leaders…
So again, I ask… What does LOVE do? If we focus on LOVE…and do what LOVE would do…now…we are walking by love and showing WHO our Father is.
Husbands and wives…just do what LOVE would do.
Masters and servants…just do what LOVE would do.
Leadership and people…just do what LOVE would do.
Christ and His Bride…just do what love would do.
It is our flesh/carnal nature that rebels against obedience…it wants it’s own way…and masters have obligations to their servants too but, they also rebel against obedience to their obligations as leaders…
So again, I ask… What does LOVE do? If we focus on LOVE…and do what LOVE would do…now…we are walking by love and showing WHO our Father is.
Husbands and wives…just do what LOVE would do.
Masters and servants…just do what LOVE would do.
Leadership and people…just do what LOVE would do.
Christ and His Bride…just do what love would do.
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I understand. We may not agree on every point, and that is okay.
So much of what we think about gender roles is socially constructed rather than emphatically stated in scripture, so I am always searching the scripture to see if what we are being told about gender roles is true. This is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.
I was raised up in an Apostolic church, so I'm familiar with the idea that the husband is priest of the home.
But what verse tells us that the husband is priest of the home?
You said, "Women have never been priests according to scripture."
I would agree that in the Old Testament, the Israeli priests were a group of qualified MEN from within the tribe of Levites.
What does the New Testament say about the priesthood?
Just food for thought.
So much of what we think about gender roles is socially constructed rather than emphatically stated in scripture, so I am always searching the scripture to see if what we are being told about gender roles is true. This is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.
I was raised up in an Apostolic church, so I'm familiar with the idea that the husband is priest of the home.
But what verse tells us that the husband is priest of the home?
You said, "Women have never been priests according to scripture."
I would agree that in the Old Testament, the Israeli priests were a group of qualified MEN from within the tribe of Levites.
What does the New Testament say about the priesthood?
Just food for thought.
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Human reasoning over authority is futile…just keeps us focused on the physical realm. The battle is in the spiritual realm.
May the Spirit of Elijah come and turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children towards the fathers…
May Godly authority and leadership take its rightful place in the Body of Christ and those under the authority and leadership take their rightful place in the Body of Christ…
May we all repent and come under Godly authority and walk according to God’s Love which is the fulfillment of His Word so that the Sons of God manifest in the Earth and the world knows that the Kingdom of God is in their midst…
Selah…in the Mighty and Awesome Name of Jesus Christ, amen.
May the Spirit of Elijah come and turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children towards the fathers…
May Godly authority and leadership take its rightful place in the Body of Christ and those under the authority and leadership take their rightful place in the Body of Christ…
May we all repent and come under Godly authority and walk according to God’s Love which is the fulfillment of His Word so that the Sons of God manifest in the Earth and the world knows that the Kingdom of God is in their midst…
Selah…in the Mighty and Awesome Name of Jesus Christ, amen.
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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.
Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.
Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
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