Doctrine of Unconditional Election

A gift is only obtained by receiving it. A gift can be offered, such as Titus 2:11, but apart from belief in Christ for salvation, the gift of eternal life isn't obtained.

Grace by it self WILL NOT save you Folks ------Grace comes THROUGH FAITH ---Faith is needed to Access Grace ------Grace Made Salvation available-------- only---- to all people ----Faith RECEIVES the Salvation ----if you don't receive a thing you have no access to it -----it is just there waiting for someone receive it in to themselves --

Now we have to be adopted back into God's Family through Faith in Jesus who is Grace

God has declared eternal life a gift. and as such, its bestowing requires nothing whatsoever from its recipients beforehand.

The offer of eternal life is to "whosoever" -- anyone and everyone.

Adopted back by the faith OF Christ: Christ's faith. Christ is the Savior, we aren't. All of your references to saving faith have
Christ's faith in view. Our faith comes as a gift from the fruit of the Spirit:

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

The Holy Spirit indwells someone only upon becoming born-again, at which time the individual's faith in Christ (along
with other fruit of the Spirit) starts, and grows.

The question you don't address is who will believe?

I say
This is your changing the scripture -----which actually says through Christ -----to your OF CHRIST _----

No.

Perhaps according to man's imperfect, imprecise, and careless use of words some might term the un-bestowed a gift, but for it to truly be a gift, it had to have been bestowed and in the possession of its recipient -- only then is it a gift.

God has declared eternal life a gift. and as such, its bestowing requires nothing whatsoever from its recipients beforehand. Do you think God incapable of that?

Belief in Christ Jesus comes out of/from that gift, but it is in no wise a prerequisite for it.

Of himself, natural man can't give himself true faith in Christ.

The question you don't address is who will believe? If you look closely at [1Co 2:13-14 KJV] you will see that only certain people can believe.

These verses too:
[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

That is PRECISELY what I said. How come you didn't read what I posted?

You said it is obtained by receiving it.

I said it is given - placed into the possession of the one saved. Is that what you meant?

Doesn't even come close saying what you claim. The text here only says that unbelievers cannot understand the "deep things of God".

And I clarified by saying it is received by believing in Christ. Again, please actually read my posts.

That is not a question we need to be concerned with. Christ said that the Gospel must be preached to EVERY CREATURE. That is our only concern. Not all will believe but some will.

his is your changing the scripture -----which actually says through Christ -----to your OF CHRIST _----

I say --------Faithfulness is speaking to us about being Faithful to God and His word ----That comes by and through the Holy Spirit ----

If by this you mean that mankind does not have free will, that is patently false. Since God made mankind in His own image and in His own likeness (Gen 1:26,27), He also gave Man free will. This is implied in Genesis 2:16, 17: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

1. Does this show that Adam could disobey God is he so chose? Absolutely

2. Did Adam disobey God? Absolutely

3. Do men disobey the Gospel? Absolutely

4. Does that confirm that human beings have free will? Absolutely

Both men and angels were created with free will, and both disobeyed God. But God already knew the end from the beginning, therefore the Lamb of God was slain from before the foundation of the world. However, there is no redemption for angels.

God could not be glorified if men were created as robots. Indeed, the question of disobedience would not even arise.

Some people need to really read the scriptures and ask for understanding


Grace by it self WILL NOT save you Folks ------Grace comes THROUGH FAITH ---Faith is needed to Access Grace ------Grace Made Salvation available-------- only---- to all people ----Faith RECEIVES the Salvation ----if you don't receive a thing you have no access to it -----it is just there waiting for someone receive it in to themselves --


Grace and Truth came THROUGH JESUS ---------GRACE is a PERSON HERE ____JESUS IS GRACE -----Jesus died --shed His BLOOD to make SALVATION AVAILABLE TO ALL -----GRACE comes THROUGH FAITH ----- OUR FAITH IN THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS who is Grace saves us -------

Now we have to be adopted back into God's Family through Faith in Jesus who is Grace


Galatians 3

Sons Through Faith in Christ

25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.…


Ephesians 2:8-9

New International Version

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.



Ephesians 1

New International Version



1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Praise for Spiritual Blessings in Christ

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love


5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—

6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.


7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding,

9 he[d] made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,

10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

11 In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

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Now many people believe to that God's Covenants are unconditional -------and that is false doctrine -----

All God's Covenants are CONDITIONAL -----Mosaic Covenant --says IF YOU OBEY MY COMMANDS ----IF YOU DON"T ----conditional ----------New Covenant of Grace --CONDITIONAL-----IF YOU ---------say with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart -etc ---then you will be saved -------------- this also gives us free will to choice to accept or reject Jesus as your Saviour ------

God's Love for His Creation is unconditional ------He loves us with all our baggage -----but His Covenants are Conditional

Faith does not give us access to Grace But Grace gives us access to faith.

Eternal life is given to those who believe. John 5:24 makes that very clear.

John 1:12 says those who believe, receive

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

iow, we receive eternal life when we believe in Christ.