BORN AGAIN, A CHANGE IN BODY NOT IN MIND

Born of water = the New Birth through the power of the Water of the Word of God (the Gospel). Born of the Spirit = Born of God, born from above, born of the Holy Spirit, supernatural regeneration.

Water is a metaphor for both the Word of God and the Holy Spirit. But since the Holy Spirit is already mentioned, the Water is the Gospel (see 1 Peter 1). As to the OP, it is trying to turn everything on its head. The New Birth is not about a transformation of the body but a transformation of the soul and spirit.

In response to the part higlighted:

Luke 24:39
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

The resurrection body is physical, and yes we will be partakers of the divine nature, but there is nothing and no one above God the Father, the God of gods [Deuteronomy 10:17] and the Most High, as the Bible says.

In this case Jesus was using water as a reference of the word of God. Remember what Jesus says in John 4: 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Born of water = Water baptism

Jesus say in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Let's move on. In Genesis the Lord set things in order. Take a look at Genesis and see the distinction between man and God.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind” and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Note these things which were created were after its kind. Notice the change in the next scripture.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice man is made in the image of God after his likeness not after His kind. Meaning we look like Him but, we are not made up of the same substance. Take a look at Genesis chapter 2 verse 7. There you will find the 2 elements that men are made of.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice what it says, man was formed from the dust of the ground, and the Lord breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. Dust and breath that's it, nothing else. Take note also it says man became a living soul. It did not say a soul was placed in the man. You are the soul?

Men also have another similarity other than the outward image of The Godhead members. Notice what the Lord says in Genesis chapter 3.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Notice what the Lord says, "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." If Adam didn't listen to Eve we would only have two commandments. 1. Be fruitful and multiply and 2. Do not eat from the tree of knowledge good and evil (listening to Satan). Man would have never died. Everyone from Adam until eternity would still be alive.

When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family.

It would seem one should consider that the Body of Yeshua Jesus was being glorified during the forty days from His rise to the day of His ascension to His place at the Right Hand of the Father.
It has always been my understanding that His Body was translated into Its rightful state in Heaven.

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, now this is a pretty simple to understand brother and sisters, pay close a attention to what’s being said. Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus.

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family (we will have a greater understanding as we go further in this class). When Thomas called Jesus God was he still a man? Take a look at this verse in the book of Numbers.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Note what the verse says, God is not a man, neither is he the son of man. While Jesus walked with His disciples He called Himself the son of man. He was exactly that. He was born of a woman. But, when he was raised from the dead He was no longer in the man family neither was He flesh and blood. If he was flesh and blood He would not have been able to appear in the middle of the room with his apostles.

Being born of water is not referencing the Word.

Born of water is the physical birth of a child coming forth from the physical womb inside the physical mother and this place of child development is called the embryonic sac.

Thus the factual term of 'her water broke' of the expecting mother going into labor, when the embryonic sac wall breaks, thus releasing water and other fluids.

That which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit.

Christ is the the Word and the Word is the Seed that is sown that is watered and that grows into the New Birth within the heart/mind/soul/spirit of a man.

There are THREE who Overcome the World = Read and pray and read and pray again the Gospel of John and do it a third time.

Do you also consider coming up out of the water in Baptism and being made a new creature 'a birth' from flesh into spirit?

Do you also consider coming up out of the water in Baptism and being made a new creature 'a birth' from flesh into spirit?

I see where you are going with this. It does sound plausible, but we need to add more scripture here to make it all fit. Unfortunately, others scriptures proves that what your stating to be in error. Thats okay, providing your can see the error and move away from it and move on.

An example of being in this flesh and being born again, 1 Pete 1:23, “Having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever”.

This is how we know we have been born again, Romans 10:10, “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation”.

Our spirit is what is born again.

It was required that Christ not see corruption in His body as a testimony to His resurrection that He indeed was He that should come and showed Himself. If He had of rotted in anyway, that is the way He would have appeared. But, He didn’t see corruption.

The teaching that Christ was born again after his resurrection is false.

In order to interpret scripture, all scriptures must agree. If there is a hint of doubt, it must be analyzed and scrutinized until there is no doubt at all. That is why it says, “Search the scriptures, for in them, they will testify of Me”.

NO - absolutely not and the LORD specifically separated any type of fleshly outward method of obtaining Salvation.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Many/most people whom the Father calls become Born-Again BEFORE they are water baptized.
i was truly Born-Again by the Spirit of God about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.

Water baptism is an outward display of the Faith and Obedience to the call of God on one's heart.

Water baptism cannot save anyone = only Faith in the Word and obedience to Him who calls us out of darkness.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

Water baptism cannot save anyone = only Faith in the Word and obedience to Him who calls us out of darkness.

YES in symbolic form only - not in actual Spirit Birth

My previous post was only addressing that flesh cannot produce Spirit.

The resurrection of Christ was evidence that on the cross He Himself destroyed the power of sin and death, Hades and Hell, Satan and all his demons.

Maybe it is BOTH of them and everyone is correct. We have the fallen angels who LEFT their habitation and were never born of woman (womb) and as such NEVER get to come to repentance. That would be one way and then we have what you have written here. And we have

2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

In response to the part higlighted:

Luke 24:39
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

The resurrection body is physical, and yes we will be partakers of the divine nature, but there is nothing and no one above God the Father, the God of gods [Deuteronomy 10:17] and the Most High, as the Bible says.

It would seem one should consider that the Body of Yeshua Jesus was being glorified during the forty days from His rise to the day of His ascension to His place at the Right Hand of the Father.
It has always been my understanding that His Body was translated into Its rightful state in Heaven.