What Gospel is for us ?

Interestingly enough- Here is Peter is preaching to gentiles that receive the Holy Ghost. He never says anything about Jesus dying for our sins.

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all) 37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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The Gospel is not word for word recitation of a couple of verses. When Paul says "So we preach" he is saying "we all preach in this manner" or "we all preach like this". It's not the exact phrasing, that counts.

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that,....

Paul is not telling the Corinthians that they are the first people he ever told the Gospel to. He is saying that what he is about to write is "first of all" or of "most importance" of all the things that he told them (the Gospel). What follows about Jesus dying for our sins and rising from the grave according to the scriptures... that, literally, is the Gospel of Jesus' resurrection

The rest of this chapter is talking about the resurrection of the saints, on which all of Christianity stands. Belief in your resurrection through faith in Jesus is the most important part of the Gospel. The story of Jesus' dying for our sins- that's only good news to you if you GET SOMETHING out of it. The resurrection of the saints is literally "the gospel of YOUR salvation."

Exactly. Below is a classic example of what you've just taught:

Acts 16:30-32 NIV - "He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

If the Gospel were just a couple of sentences, then verse 31 above would actually save a person. But what pastors are not teaching is that the Gospel was then expounded upon. Hence, "Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.

"Believe in the Lord Jesus" is only an introduction to the Gospel. THEN they taught the full Gospel that would actually lead a person to Salvation. They then had to identify who/which Jesus, and why.

Ephesians chapters 2 and 3 discuss that the Plan of God is Mysterious, and this means that the full Gospel is not outright taught. It is kept hidden for those who through persistence, continue to Ask, Seek, and Knock. We are required to investigate, and those who desperately Love God, they will make understanding the Gospel the single most important aspect of their lives.

Is knowing the Gospel the single most important aspect of "your" life?

amen Isaiah began preaching that Jesus would die for our sins it’s where Paul’s doctrine came from that concept has been around since the prophets of the ot

“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6,

what’s interesting and clear is Peter preached the same concepts from Isaiah as Paul using different words

“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter is saying the same thing Paul was just with dofferent words Jesus dying for our sins is a part of the gospel but it isn’t everything everything else oaul taught applies also like this this is where you lose the oaul only folk they reject this based on other verses it’s an omission attempt


“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the same who claim Paul’s authority above the rest will reject what Paul actually taught based on whatever verses they can omit the part of our behavior applying to salvstion like the apostles all taught also

they had all been preaching about Christ dying for our sins even the ot prophets and Jesus himself preached it

“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul saying he died for our sins is nothing new at all

The Gospel to me means good news, teachings of Christ it does not mean anyones personal definitions. Amp "And if I have prophetic powers (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), and understand all the secret truths and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if I have [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love (God’s love in me) I am nothing (a useless nobody)."

The good news to me is very simple. Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father. The good news.. GOD came and set you free! My personal view does not change or save anyone. Its HIM and Him alone. He saves He draws them not me. HAHA you don't agree? Praise GOD. With out love its all in vain. We forget how we should treat each other no matter HOW the other is treating us. Christ will say to some. No matter how you treat I am to love you as He loves me. This correcting is not being done in love. Anyway,.,.

Correction is done in love. If you hate somebody, you just let them be wrong.

We were warned about things such as this 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables
Honestly I would be concerned if I had the same kind of attitude especially if I had the antichrist spirit where I would belittle and accuse anyone who does not agree with me.

I love all people, and because I know the Power of God in that He alone can change the hearts of any human alive, I believe in us all. However, I cannot tolerate the constant jabbing. I appreciate you, Blain, as I know your heart. I appreciate your kind ways. This place has become too much of a negative burden for me, thus I'm going to depart for a while, if not slow down dramatically at least. Besides, I've become a broken record . . . my posts are all the same . . . there isn't much left for me to say. So . . .

Well I hate to see you leave but I do understand I have found a true friend in you and a kindred spirit I rarely find one like you

Thank you, good sir! I'm not permanently leaving, and as said, I at least need to slow down. I need to focus on this ridiculously painful exam prep. I find that when I engage in such hostility, my mind wanders and I end up having to read the same materials over and over again because I can't focus (and retain what I'm reading). I don't have a job, so the longer it takes for me to get this license, the more my bank account dwindles. Seek out people who understand Circumcision of the Heart . . . they are True Brothers and Sisters. @DavidTree comes to mind. He'll treat you well.

@posthuman is another!

Yes both of them as very good people I can attest to that but yeah if this place distracts you it would be a good idea to take a break though I hope not for to long.

This is a Christian site set up to speak about scripture, and people turn it into a place to fight personal fights instead of speaking of scripture. They say "you". They accuse. They gossip about people. We need to hear differences in interpretation of scripture, differences should never affect love for each other. Yet some posts almost seem like the murder that Christ explained in the sermon on the mount.

We are Christians, and Christians follow Christ. Christ explains murder in Matter 5:21-26. You cannot murder as Christ explains it and follow Christ.

There is a general feeling of angst that I have when coming to these kinds of forums. And I must say that I'm not picking on this forum exclusively. I have been a member of three or four throughout these last few years, and the general theme is essentially the same. But that said, I do feel angst with every post that I "send" to you all. I tell myself, "Well, who's going to bash me this time?" Or, "Who's going to nit-pick my sentences to death, taking them out of context?" The alternative would be to simply come here and discuss the things that are being posted, but to tear them apart? And to do so with the intent of destroying a person's psychology?

It seems that few are here to actually learn from others. It seems that most are here to be a teacher or instructors of some kind. In a way, I suppose that this is natural. My heart's desire is to come here and learn WITH and alongside everyone else. I believe that we all have something to offer, even if it is wrong. But even if we are wrong as individuals, I don't understand the need to be so harsh in pointing it out. The way that perceived "errors" are pointed out is, for the most part, absolutely abrasive, if not downright abusive. The way that "we" tend to talk to one another causes at least myself to not want to be here. Why? Because this aggression is anti-Biblical. Speaking to each other harshly shows that there is a good chance that we're not even saved.

1 Corinthians 3:2-3 NLT - "I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren't ready for anything stronger. And you still aren't ready, 3 for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn't that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren't you living like people of the world?"

I ache in knowing that we fight . . . exactly for the reason that Paul stated above; it proves something about us. This is precisely why I have stated twice in the last few days that I am not the "brother" of certain people. For, no Brother or Sister of mine would ever, ever speak to me with such incredible harshness. When two people share the same Indwelling Holy Spirit, that same Spirit is aware of the "brotherhood" that is shared between them. Of course, I suppose that the relationship between Peter and Paul could prove me wrong on this (Gal chapter 2), but I do believe in my heart that two who share the Father in the Heart will Love one another in a way that humans of the "world" do not and cannot.

John 15:13 NLT - "There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends."

If we are willing to die for another believer, a True Brother or Sister, what then, are we NOT willing to do? Can we say that we are willing to lay down our life for another, yet unable to find it within ourselves to speak, or write, in a cordial manner?

Even if we disagree on matters, why can't we come together and celebrate each day with one another? Each day in itself should be a day of celebration, thus, how much more if we come here and commune together?

If I could create reality, my wish would be that this forum could become a safe place for any and all people. Not only should it be safe for Christians, but it should also be a safe place for non-christians to come and learn about the Almighty Grace and Power of our incredible Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Our collective goal should be that we make ChristianChat the most amazing forum in the world, renowned for our ability to welcome every belief that exists with the hope that we might "save some," as the great Apostle Paul said.

What Gospel is for us?

The Gospel of Jesus

The Holy Bible testifies of the Gospel of Jesus, ergo; the Holy Bible is for US! ALL OF IT!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They heard the gospel, they trusted what they heard. having believed, they were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise.

I heard the gospel " that Christ died for our sins" back in 1988.

I was saved, and still am. I know others who heard the gospel and believed, and were saved and sealed.

How do I know I am saved ?

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

God has beareth witnes with my spirit.

If you have an issue with the word of God. Take it up with God here.

2Co_5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

This is the heart of the question. What does Jesus teach that we are to have faith in? Scripture says it is "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". But scholars say it is the fact that only through what Christ did for us that we can have eternal life.

We are told that the root of it all is to believe in Jesus. Jesus died for our sins, but Jesus also told how to live in this world with him as part of us, as in our very minds and souls. Does believing in Jesus include how Jesus lives within us and cannot live in us if we choose to live in sin or is the gospel that Christ died for us?

If you really believe in Jesus Christ you would obey His gospel.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
To obey the gospel of Jesus Christ you need to believe it.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The word of truth the gospel. 1 Corinthians 15:3,4.

Sin is the issue right now between man and God.

2Co_5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Repentance has nothing to do with been saved.
People say they believe in Jesus. That does not save anyone. You need to believe Christ died for our sins... as Paul preached.
Anything else is vain.

If you believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is all there is to the Gospel, you my friend have a very unbiblical and limited understanding of it.

Galatians 2:11-14

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Did they walk not according to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? Did they stop believing Jesus died for their sins etc? No. The truth of the Gospel talked about here is there is no separation between Jew and Gentile in salvation.

Mark 1:1 the BEGINNING of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, the son of God.

The Gospel includes the death burial and resurrection of Jesus yes. But it is important to mention the Gospel of the Kingdom, the kingdom is coming and we are in training for that kingdom, the teachings of Jesus are of utmost importance, not just His death and burial and resurrection.

Beautiful. And like the broken record that I am, I'll mention this topic but once again . . . sigh. Do we think that Paul just blindly used the Holy Word circumcision? Are we really supposed to be thinking of the phallus of a man, here? Or, is this the HEART of the matter?

Ephesians 2:11 NLT - "Don't forget that you Gentiles used to be outsiders. You were called "uncircumcised heathens" by the Jews, who were proud of their circumcision, even though it affected only their bodies and not their hearts."

What is it that separated Jew from Gentile? Yes, both physical and Spiritual Circumcision.

When are we going to "get it?" Pastors? Where in the world are you? You have your faces and minds in the Bible more than anyone on the planet and you KNOW that the Bible revolves around Spiritual Circumcision. Why do you refuse to teach the Flock! Why do you intentionally keep the Holy Church in a state of Spiritual Blindness! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

I agree with you spiritual circumcision is often overlooked or completely ignored.

It was prophecied in Deuteronomy, it is a reality of the New Covenant.

In my opinion spiritual circumcision goes hand in hand with Paul's teaching that we are not under the law, because if you have been spiritually circumcised by God (Col 2:11) you don't have to keep reading the law like a grocery list and do this don't do that. It is a new man in Christ, a heart that is glad to serve the Lord, a heart on which the commandments of God are written on.

Wow. I'm shocked. Someone actually understands the hidden Mysterious Plan of God. Isaskar, I am amazed to say this, but you understand the True Gospel of Jesus Christ. You belong to the family of Circumcision. You are a member of the Holy Remnant. And you . . . I will follow.