Pondering Revival of the saints.

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wintersrain

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@Rhomphaeam,

I think what you're also encountering in the push back against the topic of Revival, besides encountering that one that is obviously jealous of your walk, is this. There are those who are genuinely unaware or are opposed to the idea that Revival happens without a Bible being present.

I've met a few Christians in my time who will insist, "I believe in the Bible!"
That's wrong, in my view. They're not to believe in the Bible. They're to believe in God, who is the Word that is alive in the message contained in the Book.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books')

"We must come to God on His terms, not on our own terms." Daniel W. Whittle 1883

Holy Spirit God sends Revival! With or without a Bible present.


Nave's Topical Bible Concordance Online
Revivals in the Bible
(Accounts of Revival. Remember people, our faith was an oral tradition before it was ever recorded in Koine Greek! And as the Bible says, God calls people to Him! GOD! God is not the Bible! To think so, is Idolatry!)
 

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[Naration:]
In the center of the caverns of hell, hidden under layers of evil that have thrived for centuries, sits the morbid domain of the prince of the power of the air. Suddenly, a scaly creature disrupts Satan's ghastly existence with an urgent message. It reads, "Code red problem, conference needed, disaster forecasted!" With a disgusted annoyance, this general of evil agrees to confer with his chief demon lieutenant. This is the story of that encounter

[Dramatization:]
Satan: You may enter
Demon: My Lord Satan
Satan: State your business and make it fast
Demon: Sir, we're having problems of cataclysmic proportions
Satan: Where?
Demon: In the east sector, sir. The damage is vast

Satan: Is there something wrong with my abortion clinics?
Demon: No, sir, that's all fine. We kill 4,000 unborn a day through, shall we say, surgical removal. It's selective breeding. We eliminate human life in the name of convenience like the Nazis and the Jews and with the government's approval

Satan: Is there a problem with my pet project, television violence?
Demon: Sir, it's covered, from videos to cartoons. By the time a child graduates high school, he's seen 70,000 murders
Satan: Is this effective enough?
Demon: Sir, just watch the news

Satan: Is there a disturbance in my false religions?
Demon: No sir, business is booming. Over 40 million are into New Age and Zen. Over 45 million believe in astrology
Satan: Looks like we're catching up
Demon: Yes, sir. Only 50 million claim to be born again

Satan: Is there a problem with business in general?
Demon: Sir, we're showing tremendous progress. Teenage runaways, each year a million or more. There's a teen suicide every ninety minutes and your specialty, drunk driving, will claim more lives this year that the whole Vietnam war



Satan: Well is there a disturbance in my... What was that?
Demon: Sir, that's the reason all these demons are on crutches and wobbling
Satan: What's going on?
Demon: Sir, that's what I've been trying to tell you
Satan: What is that?
Demon: Sir, that is our problem

Satan: Only one thing causes warfare of this magnitude
Demon: Then, sir, you know what we are dealing with up there
Satan: Yes, it's some of those sanctified
Demon: Try blood-bought
Satan: Spirit-filled
Demon: Saints of God
Satan: Actually
Demon: Presently
Satan & Demon: On their knees in prayer!
Demon: Sir, they're literal holy terrors. They bind us, cast us out. Then they do those disgusting charismatic jigs. They quote scriptures like the Son of God and, sir, if you don't intervene we all might wind up in a bunch of pigs

Demon: Sir, that's the good news. The bad news is the subject of their prayers that threatens our survival. What they're praying for is causing hemorrhaging in the realms of darkness
Satan: And the bad news is?
Demon: Sir, they're praying for revival!

Satan: I hate revival! It just erupts, it's hardly controllable. At the Azusa street outpouring, things got rough
Demon: Yes sir, and when the charismatic movement hit, sir, we were jumping out of windows with all that "untie my bowtie who stolla my honda" stuff

Satan: Then I'll come in like a flood
Demon: But they'll say the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against you
Satan: OOOOHH
Demon: It's written in the Word
Satan: I'll form weapons against them
Demon: Sir, no weapon formed against them shall prosper. That's in the Bible, too
Satan: Yes, I've heard. I'll hit them with every filthy, lusty thought you could imagine
Demon: But it's written, "resist the devil and he must flee."
Satan: Obviously, the enemy is taking the battle more seriously than we are
Demon: And that's very dangerous, sir, especially for me


Satan: It's time to launch my final, most vicious attack. I'll remind the saints of their past- how they were liars, cheaters, manipulators and moochers
Demon: But sir, you know what will happen if you remind the saints of their past
Satan: And what is that?
Demon: Sir, they'll just remind you of your future
Satan: NOOOOOOO

[Spoken:]
Attention all Saints of God, man your battle stations!
Sound the alarm loud and long to all men of every nation!
We're kicking down the gates of hell, not stopping till they're level
For the sentence of destruction's on the forehead of the devil

Lift your hands in victory, this is our finest hour!
For this sleeping giant called the church is rising up in power!
Cry loud, spare not, this lion's got a roar!
We may have lost some battles, but we will win this war!

We've made it through the fire and our faith in God is strong!
We're a revelation generation with fire in our bones!
We're filled up with the Holy Ghost, trusting in the Bible!
Fasten your seat belts, saints of God, the world is breaking forth in a Revival!

[Singing:]
Revival is coming to our land
The Holy Ghost is moving just like a hurricane
Revival is coming to our shore
Get ready for the moving of the Spirit of the Lord
 

CS1

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Are you aware that many Muslims have testified to meeting Christ personally in dreams and visions and being converted?

Why Muslims Become Christians
Duane Miller notes that “Christ’s converts from Islam are often driven away from Islam as much as they are drawn to Christ or Christianity.” Focusing here only on the factors that propel Muslims specifically toward Christianity finds the list to be long.
Dreams and visions, especially of Jesus, probably draw about a quarter of MBBs. Mike Ansari, an Iranian convert, reports that many people “are actually having dreams and visions about a shining man dressed in white far before we are out there telling them about Jesus.” Dabrina Bet Tamraz notes that Iranian converts often ask each other, “Have you seen the white[-robed] man, have you seen Jesus?” The leader of a Presbyterian church in Pakistan found that Afghan imams were traveling hundreds of kilometers to study the Bible with him. When asked what prompted them to do so, the minister replied:
“Dreams! Christ had appeared to them in their sleep and instructed them to come here to hear the truth.” And in Colorado, Pastor George Naeem who conducts classes in Arabic via the radio and the Internet reports that “Virtually all [his students] came following dreams.”
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/perilous-path-muslim-christian-189544
yes sir, very aware. However, God's primary Method is the Gospel of Jesus Christ given to the church. That doesn't mean God is not able to do whatever He wants.
 

Blain

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@Rhomphaeam,

I think what you're also encountering in the push back against the topic of Revival, besides encountering that one that is obviously jealous of your walk, is this. There are those who are genuinely unaware or are opposed to the idea that Revival happens without a Bible being present.

I've met a few Christians in my time who will insist, "I believe in the Bible!"
That's wrong, in my view. They're not to believe in the Bible. They're to believe in God, who is the Word that is alive in the message contained in the Book.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books')

"We must come to God on His terms, not on our own terms." Daniel W. Whittle 1883

Holy Spirit God sends Revival! With or without a Bible present.


Nave's Topical Bible Concordance Online
Revivals in the Bible
(Accounts of Revival. Remember people, our faith was an oral tradition before it was ever recorded in Koine Greek! And as the Bible says, God calls people to Him! GOD! God is not the Bible! To think so, is Idolatry!)
Personally I wasn't saved from the word of God I even met God before I ever read a page of the bible itself so it isn't that farfetched for me to believe that God could reach people by any means required he speaks to us in far more ways than just the word alone
 

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"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able."

All of our ministries must be in the love of God.

If I ran a sweet shop how could I not see that the child does not need my direction on how to like my sweets – once they have tasted them? I do not need to paint pictures in words, neither wrap them in golden coats – nor even set them out further than the glass jars that contain them. The child can see for themselves how pleasing they are. If I am a kind shopkeeper, I may share just sufficient to help the child to choose for themselves. Once eaten no child needs to be told anything how to like my sweets. They will rush back into my shop and excitedly demand the thing they have eaten and know to be good. Such is our attitude to the blood of Christ. And despite that this is childish, it is pleasing to God, because it was for this reason that Christ died. Otherwise, we could not be saved at all. One day I then tell the child that they must now ask for meat. Am I then to be held abusively because I must speak the full council of God, even to the child that has eaten my sweets and whom I love?

Perhaps I will give the child something of my produce which is unlike a sweet at all, yet neither is it meat.

Ordinarily, every child finds a natural direction in life, and although my sweets will be a remembrance, I do not expect to see men coming into my shop and behaving like children unless they are ill. So I keep the sweets that are also medicine and store them on the higher shelves. The children, their sweets are always right on the counter. They need to see childish things – men who are ill need to know that I have remedies for their illnesses, but all others need to eat meat. How is it that we are always coming into the sweet shop for sweets when we ought to be eating meat by now? How is it that we cannot see that if we persist in childishness in the day we live in, in the end the Father will hand us over to judgement by the hand of the prophets who have warned us of our condition?

I have often wondered why the Father carried me away in the Spirit and gave me a sight of the Mount of Olives and Christ kneeling in an agony of prayer. At the time it seemed almost too much to bear. I was newly saved – I had just eaten of the sweets – and suddenly here before me was meat. God is merciful. The way that He took me from the immediate burden of that vision was to stir me to realise that were it not for the Holy Spirit it would not have been possible to see that which was witnessed by angels at the time, and not men at all. The disciples were asleep with the effect of their burden in knowing what Christ had told them. They had come from the supper table, Judas was now entered into a full and irredeemable betrayal of Christ, and Satan had entered into him. Then suddenly my entire outward vision was transformed, and I found myself looking into the face of an angel. He looked at me and pulled a silly face in agreement, that were it not for the Holy Spirit, I could not have seen what I had seen. I burst into laughter and was thus delivered from the burden. As a child in remembrance, I can easily remember the sweets. Now I must eat the meat as well. We must all of us take this same attitude because of the hour in which we labour.

"Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."

When Revival Comes

If we cannot see in these words of Scripture, that it is after Christ was strengthened by angels, that Christ continued in an agony of prayer, after which His sweat was as great drops of blood falling to the ground, then we may see nothing more than what became visible to all men when He was publicly crucified. If that is all we can see – then we are yet children. If we do look into the garden we may imagine that the garden speaks of the shedding of His blood – And even though it is like His blood, it is not the visible and easily comprehended blood that He shed on the cross. Neither is it the calm man who asked the Father to forgive those that crucified Him – neither is it the man who having finished His work asked for a drink and then gave His spirit unto the Father. This is what I was given to see as a babe in Christ and now I can understand its meaning. If we took the same place of the Father in heaven, in our attitude, then we would labour more faithfully.

If we did that, then when the bell rang on our shops, and the children entered for our sweets, we would immediately realise that many of them are blind. We would realise that only the child who makes a pretence thinks otherwise. Yet even then we would show mercy. We would take our jars, remove their lids and speaking well of the contents we would bring them under their noses and they, smelling the sweet aroma and hearing the wonderful words, would as children eat and be content. Only then will the blind see. If we boast of the colour of our sweets, speak well of the jars, wrap our sweets in golden coats and play endless sounds to stir the child to give us their money, then we are become like thieves.

If we then boast in their salvation and cannot see that they still enter into the sweet shop – that though they can see yet they cannot labour as men who have sight, and endlessly stumble into the pain of their lives, then we may look to the hope of our reward in hope, and miss that it will be well short of what the Father intended us to receive. If we imagine that seeing as many children come to us and we have a testimony and do not and will not see their endless condition, then we are worthless, though we may have been called to great things.

The reality we all face is that the general condition of the churches is not of our making. We may well have stumbled ourselves and thereby given others a basis to accuse us and in doing so, to harm themselves. We may also have suffered many injuries both in life and in the church. So when we first stood in the sweet shop, we may have been overwhelmed, not by innocent children so much, as overgrown babes. Of whom many are already bitter, angry and wounded. In short, they are carnal.

We may well see that we can go outside our shops and cry out to other children and then, seeing their delight when we gave them that which they could lay hold of innocently, we may also have rejoiced and thanked God for their salvation. But we will never be able to drive the other children who are still babes in Christ and overgrown babes, out of the shop and into the street. If we do, either by our attitude in turning away from them or else as others have done when they have rejected them with a cold heart, then we become necessarily accusers.

We must find a way to labour according to the real condition of the place we dwell. If we do not do that then we are saying that God had rejected others, when He did not reject ourselves even though we cannot see clearly what harm we have done by our carnality.

Rhomphaeam


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Rhomphaeam

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Why?


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O Lord my God when I first knew of you Lord in the recess of my heart, I was yet a child. Though I could not understand the magnitude of your throne and the breadth of your canopies, I knew that you were true God. In my childish manner I was received into your courts, and as a child I believed that all my friends were good. So as I looked at them in the quiet place of needing to understand why Christ died, I saw that none were weeping Lord. In my consternation I asked myself why? Yet I cannot say O Lord that they despised you or that they did not have their thoughts and neither can I say that they did not have their burdens and their pains also. In that instant Lord, I knew only that you were my Lord and that you had given your life on the cross. And I knew that I wept and my friends were dry. Selah

Now O Lord these many years later I come before you a child, no longer innocent of offending your glory and no longer innocent of the breadth and depth of your great love with which you have loved all men. It is as though I am ruined, Lord. It is as if I have thrown all your tables down and scattered your plates. Hear my cry O Lord. Restore unto me O Lord the joy of your salvation and renew a right spirit within me. Forgive me, Father, that I no longer look through eyes that are sanctified by tears, which when as a child I knew in my childish innocence. Forgive me O Lord that now through the trials of life by which I have come to know that though my friends were dry, their pain was real and their consternation was no less than my own. You knew them all O Lord and yet you gave me tears. Selah

Forgive me Father, that I have walked only in the remembrance of my childish tears seeing that Christ died, and grant me the burden to remember that it was my sins that brought your Son to the cross. Cause me to know Father, that the remembrance of my innocence when I wept of your Son, and my childish tears will not now deliver my wretched friends for who's sake He also died. Forgive me, Father, that I have taken confidence in childish tears which by now are a ruined house, and ought to have come into your dominion wherein it is no longer possible to see only my pain and my grief in life, but must now also see the great love with which you have loved all men through your beloved Son. Forgive me Lord my God, that I have thrown down your tables and scattered your plates so that my friends who were dry when I wept, are now scattered also. Have mercy O Lord, and gather them into your fold. Amen


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Dyfrig O Cymru - The Word


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In Christo solo, Justificatio sola fide, Sola gratia, Sola scriptura - Soli Deo gloria. Amen

Jesus has shown us by His own example that a person cannot take up his cross unless he first chooses to deny himself. The soul will not lightly suffer, yet a loving son delights in obedience (John 14:15). Therefore Jesus says, "Father if thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done" (Luke 22:42). The cross means obedience (Philippians 2:8), in a willingness to suffer in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1). It means, "Not my will, but Thine be done." The cross is the place where Christ laid down His life for the sin of the world. Therefore it is a place of death and an end to life."If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, follow Me".

We cannot live for ourselves and live for God. We cannot serve two masters. We will love the one and hate the other, or cling to the one and despise the other (Luke 16:13). We cannot store treasure in heaven and on earth. "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal." (John 12:25). The Greek says, ο φιλων την ψυχην (soul) αυτου απολλυει αυτην και ο μισων την ψυχην αυτου εν τω κοσμω τουτω εις ζωην αιωνιον (life eternal) φυλαξει αυτην. It is only when the Lord returns that eternal life becomes truly visible. Therefore it is at this time that the obedient soul enters into the joy of the Lord. This is the first resurrection and the time when all the Lord's servants are judged. The first outworking of that judgement is the issue of the kingdom itself.

The gift of eternal life is freely given to those who put their faith in Jesus and receive Him as their Saviour. Eternal life can never be merited. If we are able to believe by faith that eternal life is a gift given by God without repentance on His part, then the question we must ask ourselves is not shall we perish, but are we worthy of the Lord of Glory? No man who ever lived can be considered worthy of the Lord in respect to being worthy of the Lord's death. Nevertheless worth is an important issue.

For example, there is the worth of the saints, (Romans 16:2) as well as a saint being counted worthy to suffer shame for Christ's name (Acts 5:41). Paul entreats the Ephesians to walk in a manner worthy of their calling (Ephesians 4:1), and to the Thessalonians, Paul says, "to this end we pray that God may count you worthy of your calling." Paul identifies the persecution of the Thessalonian saints as a "plain indication of God's righteous judgement so that they might be counted worthy of the Kingdom of God", (2 Thess 1:4,11). And in Revelation 3:4 the Lord Jesus says of the overcomers in the church at Sardis that they will walk with Him in white because they are worthy.

We see in these few verses a clear call for God's people to deny themselves so that they may be counted worthy of the Lord at His coming (Matthew10;37-38). We also see that to be counted worthy of the Kingdom or to walk with Christ in white in the Kingdom, refers to a believer's walk here and now and not simply to the fact of believing in the Lord Himself. Suffering for the sake of the Kingdom to the Thessalonian saints was obedience. For the Ephesian saints, to walk in a manner worthy of their calling was a command to love one another.

Rhomphaeam


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wintersrain

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Personally I wasn't saved from the word of God I even met God before I ever read a page of the bible itself so it isn't that farfetched for me to believe that God could reach people by any means required he speaks to us in far more ways than just the word alone
Agreed.

Paul told us, “ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.”

How did people know God before the Bible?
https://www.gotquestions.org/know-God-before-Bible.html
 

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Here's a thought some don't like to consider. YOU could be wrong.
When ego and pride refuse to see that, such afflicted folk shall never see through a clear lens what is brought for correction and for our own good.
POT............KETTLE?

Oh, by the way, thank you for all the "X"es you gave me. I consider them jewels in my crown of life!

I have little respect for anyone who "hides" their Profile Page from the Members here. Christians should not "live in the dark" amongst the Church IMO.

Please feel free to "X" this comment as well.......... :)


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Blain

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Agreed.

Paul told us, “ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.”

How did people know God before the Bible?
https://www.gotquestions.org/know-God-before-Bible.html
People had a personal relationship with him that;s how. This isn't to say the word of God is any less important as I hold it in high regard however far to often I will see people who claim to hold it in such high regard use it for their own purposes using it as a weapon against others cherry picking it to make it say what they need it to say using scripture as a tool to prove their own agenda not God's never considering they might be wrong and that it might be their agenda not God's they are pursuing

The voice of Godis everywhere and in everything you just have to know how to listen for it to limit it to the word alone limits his voice
 

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People had a personal relationship with him that;s how. This isn't to say the word of God is any less important as I hold it in high regard however far to often I will see people who claim to hold it in such high regard use it for their own purposes using it as a weapon against others cherry picking it to make it say what they need it to say using scripture as a tool to prove their own agenda not God's never considering they might be wrong and that it might be their agenda not God's they are pursuing

The voice of Godis everywhere and in everything you just have to know how to listen for it to limit it to the word alone limits his voice
Exactly.
 

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People had a personal relationship with him that;s how. This isn't to say the word of God is any less important as I hold it in high regard however far to often I will see people who claim to hold it in such high regard use it for their own purposes using it as a weapon against others cherry picking it to make it say what they need it to say using scripture as a tool to prove their own agenda not God's never considering they might be wrong and that it might be their agenda not God's they are pursuing

The voice of God is everywhere and in everything you just have to know how to listen for it to limit it to the word alone limits his voice
To move on with this thread I must take issue with this claim you have made.

In fact the meaning whilst not unclear in itself - does raise a question to your own reason for saying it. Do you believe that you are writing in a prophetic voice or in a meaning that is predicated to your natural mind? It is important to ask because it has been said in this thread that the reason for the attack as cited in post @#59 which was spoken to @CS1 was based on a claim that my teaching was not understood. "You were done with Rhomphaeam when you launched an attack on his teachings that you nary understood."

It is important for me to say plainly that I am not seeking to teach anyone. What I am desirous of it to open up a reality - and to do that I opened the thread. The first use of the term attack was @#8. It was made to expressly counter various things I said in the opening post.

There is much more, this is more than enough. The attack on Revival in this thread doesn't look at the cause and effects of two things that the word of God shows as normative from Genesis to Revelation.

1. God always responds to repentance and humbleness
2. People forget the move of God and sin seen over and over again in the word of God
3. people turn a move of God into a movement instead of following God and HIS moving.


The reason revival is so important is because it is an acknowledgment of God who is making dead people alive again.
The things that these numbered points were allegedly addressing were:

  • Revival is a term that many saints hold to, to look for an answer to their own lives,
  • how that way of looking at recovery is either helpful or else entirely accurate if we believe that revival is a panacea for the saints and society.
  • When we examine the lives of the past saints after revival and restoration – also how society was changed after improvement
  • We must be honest, and we must look. It is essential that when we do this, we also realise that the revivals that we can examine do not speak of the condition of today.

What I wrote in the opening comment had already been cited as a mixture of pagan and Christian teachings. Then it was cited that the word of God trumps experience. To which comment I said:

The word of God is the surety of our salvation. It is the revealed account written [spell corrected] by the apostles and the prophets of God who witnessed Christ with their own eyes - handled with their own hands - else as with Paul - received in a countenance of the glory of the Lord - being given to us by their obedience when they laid down their lives to deliver it. Yet they spoke of Christ who came to Israel and Israel were first taught by the Father through the law and the prophets. So yes the word of God always trumps experience. May I ask you if you believe that what I have written stands in contradiction to that?
Therefore, your now cited statement @#93 is being sought for explanation - as I have qualified it in this comment.
 
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Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity,whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place,with him also THAT IS OF A CONTRITE and HUMBLE SPIRIT,TO REVIVE THE SPIRIT OF THE HUMBLE,AND TO REVIVE THE HEART OF THE CONTRITE ONES.

Psalm 85:6
Wilt thou NOT REVIVE us again: that thy people may rejoice in thee?

Both these in context is talking about the Lord being wroth with his ppl. So what condition did they have that made them cry out in his anger to be revived?
They had grown cold and slack concerning his instructions on living holy,and had taken up with the world around them. He wants us humble and contrite recognizing his Lordship,and the only hope we have is in him!

Jesus has said that God is able to raise up stones as the children of Abraham and should his disciple hold their peace the stones would cry out.
YES,I would say we are there also.

Do you think we would not need revival if only we WORSHIPPED HIM IN SPIRIT & TRUTH?
 

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Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity,whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place,with him also THAT IS OF A CONTRITE and HUMBLE SPIRIT,TO REVIVE THE SPIRIT OF THE HUMBLE,AND TO REVIVE THE HEART OF THE CONTRITE ONES.

Psalm 85:6
Wilt thou NOT REVIVE us again: that thy people may rejoice in thee?

Both these in context is talking about the Lord being wroth with his ppl. So what condition did they have that made them cry out in his anger to be revived?

They had grown cold and slack concerning his instructions on living holy,and had taken up with the world around them. He wants us humble and contrite recognizing his Lordship,and the only hope we have is in him!

Jesus has said that God is able to raise up stones as the children of Abraham and should his disciple hold their peace the stones would cry out.

YES,I would say we are there also.

Do you think we would not need revival if only we WORSHIPPED HIM IN SPIRIT & TRUTH?
A very clear and precise word, sister.

Welcome to the forum.

We would always be revived if we worshipped the Father in Spirit and in Truth because we would not be inclined to turn away and love the world which is enmity with Him. Rather we would seek for the lost with tears and lay hold of them in His power. The prophet almost always speaks to a ruined house - and has little need to speak to unbelieving men other than to kings and princes.
 

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To move on with this thread I must take issue with this claim you have made.

In fact the meaning whilst not unclear in itself - does raise a question to your own reason for saying it. Do you believe that you are writing in a prophetic voice or in a meaning that is predicated to your natural mind? It is important to ask because it has been said in this thread that the reason for the attack as cited in post @#59 which was spoken to @CS1 was based on a claim that my teaching was not understood. "You were done with Rhomphaeam when you launched an attack on his teachings that you nary understood."

It is important for me to say plainly that I am not seeking to teach anyone. What I am desirous of it to open up a reality - and to do that I opened the thread. The first use of the term attack was @#8. It was made to expressly counter various things I said in the opening post.



The things that these numbered points were allegedly addressing were:

  • Revival is a term that many saints hold to, to look for an answer to their own lives,
  • how that way of looking at recovery is either helpful or else entirely accurate if we believe that revival is a panacea for the saints and society.
  • When we examine the lives of the past saints after revival and restoration – also how society was changed after improvement
  • We must be honest, and we must look. It is essential that when we do this, we also realise that the revivals that we can examine do not speak of the condition of today.

What I wrote in the opening comment had already been cited as a mixture of pagan and Christian teachings. Then it was cited that the word of God trumps experience. To which comment I said:



Therefore, your now cited statement @#93 is being sought for explanation - as I have qualified it in this comment.
I wouldn't worry overmuch about a charge of attack from CS1 nor that of p-rehbein .


The Pharisees claimed Jesus was attacking the scriptures they held holy when Jesus was God in the flesh and the Messiah they prayed would come. Then when he arrived they were denying what was right before their eyes because their heart was not ready to accept what they thought they knew.
The Messiah arrived would mean those empowered to speak for God would be hushed. I believe were Messiah to arrive again in Israel the same would occur.

Ego, pride, and jealousy blind hearts and minds.

When you open minds you teach people to release what they think they know. Can't have one without the other brother.
 

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[Naration:]
In the center of the caverns of hell, hidden under layers of evil that have thrived for centuries, sits the morbid domain of the prince of the power of the air. Suddenly, a scaly creature disrupts Satan's ghastly existence with an urgent message. It reads, "Code red problem, conference needed, disaster forecasted!" With a disgusted annoyance, this general of evil agrees to confer with his chief demon lieutenant. This is the story of that encounter

[Dramatization:]
Satan: You may enter
Demon: My Lord Satan
Satan: State your business and make it fast
Demon: Sir, we're having problems of cataclysmic proportions
Satan: Where?
Demon: In the east sector, sir. The damage is vast

Satan: Is there something wrong with my abortion clinics?
Demon: No, sir, that's all fine. We kill 4,000 unborn a day through, shall we say, surgical removal. It's selective breeding. We eliminate human life in the name of convenience like the Nazis and the Jews and with the government's approval

Satan: Is there a problem with my pet project, television violence?
Demon: Sir, it's covered, from videos to cartoons. By the time a child graduates high school, he's seen 70,000 murders
Satan: Is this effective enough?
Demon: Sir, just watch the news

Satan: Is there a disturbance in my false religions?
Demon: No sir, business is booming. Over 40 million are into New Age and Zen. Over 45 million believe in astrology
Satan: Looks like we're catching up
Demon: Yes, sir. Only 50 million claim to be born again

Satan: Is there a problem with business in general?
Demon: Sir, we're showing tremendous progress. Teenage runaways, each year a million or more. There's a teen suicide every ninety minutes and your specialty, drunk driving, will claim more lives this year that the whole Vietnam war



Satan: Well is there a disturbance in my... What was that?
Demon: Sir, that's the reason all these demons are on crutches and wobbling
Satan: What's going on?
Demon: Sir, that's what I've been trying to tell you
Satan: What is that?
Demon: Sir, that is our problem

Satan: Only one thing causes warfare of this magnitude
Demon: Then, sir, you know what we are dealing with up there
Satan: Yes, it's some of those sanctified
Demon: Try blood-bought
Satan: Spirit-filled
Demon: Saints of God
Satan: Actually
Demon: Presently
Satan & Demon: On their knees in prayer!
Demon: Sir, they're literal holy terrors. They bind us, cast us out. Then they do those disgusting charismatic jigs. They quote scriptures like the Son of God and, sir, if you don't intervene we all might wind up in a bunch of pigs

Demon: Sir, that's the good news. The bad news is the subject of their prayers that threatens our survival. What they're praying for is causing hemorrhaging in the realms of darkness
Satan: And the bad news is?
Demon: Sir, they're praying for revival!

Satan: I hate revival! It just erupts, it's hardly controllable. At the Azusa street outpouring, things got rough
Demon: Yes sir, and when the charismatic movement hit, sir, we were jumping out of windows with all that "untie my bowtie who stolla my honda" stuff

Satan: Then I'll come in like a flood
Demon: But they'll say the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against you
Satan: OOOOHH
Demon: It's written in the Word
Satan: I'll form weapons against them
Demon: Sir, no weapon formed against them shall prosper. That's in the Bible, too
Satan: Yes, I've heard. I'll hit them with every filthy, lusty thought you could imagine
Demon: But it's written, "resist the devil and he must flee."
Satan: Obviously, the enemy is taking the battle more seriously than we are
Demon: And that's very dangerous, sir, especially for me


Satan: It's time to launch my final, most vicious attack. I'll remind the saints of their past- how they were liars, cheaters, manipulators and moochers
Demon: But sir, you know what will happen if you remind the saints of their past
Satan: And what is that?
Demon: Sir, they'll just remind you of your future
Satan: NOOOOOOO

[Spoken:]
Attention all Saints of God, man your battle stations!
Sound the alarm loud and long to all men of every nation!
We're kicking down the gates of hell, not stopping till they're level
For the sentence of destruction's on the forehead of the devil

Lift your hands in victory, this is our finest hour!
For this sleeping giant called the church is rising up in power!
Cry loud, spare not, this lion's got a roar!
We may have lost some battles, but we will win this war!

We've made it through the fire and our faith in God is strong!
We're a revelation generation with fire in our bones!
We're filled up with the Holy Ghost, trusting in the Bible!
Fasten your seat belts, saints of God, the world is breaking forth in a Revival!

[Singing:]
Revival is coming to our land
The Holy Ghost is moving just like a hurricane
Revival is coming to our shore
Get ready for the moving of the Spirit of the Lord
You forgot the credits:
Carman - Revival in the Land Lyrics
 

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I wouldn't worry overmuch about a charge of attack from CS1 nor that of p-rehbein .


The Pharisees claimed Jesus was attacking the scriptures they held holy when Jesus was God in the flesh and the Messiah they prayed would come. Then when he arrived they were denying what was right before their eyes because their heart was not ready to accept what they thought they knew.
The Messiah arrived would mean those empowered to speak for God would be hushed. I believe were Messiah to arrive again in Israel the same would occur.

Ego, pride, and jealousy blind hearts and minds.

When you open minds you teach people to release what they think they know. Can't have one without the other brother.
Thank you for your concern, brother. I don't regard everything that @CS1 said to be invalid. Neither do I believe that he is willing to allow what I am led to share to be done without the contentious effect that my words incite in him. Perhaps more importantly I don't hold him to be a pharisee either. Sure he doesn't like being cited and then corrected - albeit that my corrections are only in a semblance of the cogency of the claim being made by him when he asserts something and then when shown that he is misrepresenting the person he is supposedly quoting - he gets somewhat rattled. No big deal really. He also knows that I don't yield to any misdirection when what I have shared is being misunderstood - and neither do I offer a simple explanation to what I am saying - that is misunderstood - yet am clearly capable of keeping the meaning live when others want it killed stone dead.

Albeit he would no doubt feel that I am saying something rather poor and, therefore, needs correcting or challenging. I believe that he is keen on evangelism and so understandably what I have shared here does predicate to another meaning that he senses and rightly has pointed out even in this thread. I simply chose to ignore those facts because to engage with them would indeed have me at odds with a man who is blind to a spiritual reality - or else has been injured by it - and so in his calling [preference] for evangelising the lost - he refuses the rather spectacular meaning that the new forum member gave in post @#96. Or at least he would refuse my answer to her post. He would no doubt say that the very act of preaching the Gospel is the power of God and it does not require perfection to be sufficient in it. And, were that his claim - he has proven that he is not in fact a Pharisee.

I may well get frustrated with some brethren - but that does not mean that I cannot see their points that are valid. In this brother's case he made them some way back in the thread. Perhaps he would like to remake them. Then at least they can remain visible.