One taken,one left. The rapture.

Mat 24
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Luke 17
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left

Pretrib rapture.

Shows you never looked into it.

No bible
No verses
No constructive contribution.

amen
I am also a pretribber

CORRECT = Scripture is 100% Pre-Wrath for His Elect

Says the adherents with no verses.

You have no postrib rapture verses....just trolling and stabbing at the air as you are now demonstrating.

You know, when your doctrine is BASED ON slander and mocking your opponent...you are just validating my position.

...and making a fool outta yourself.

No bible
No verses
No constructive contribution.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture occur at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

• we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep

The resurrection and rapture are one event whereby the dead in Christ are resurrected first, then those who are alive and remain are caught up together with them.



For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

• we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

The three main things that occur at His coming:

• The resurrection
• The rapture
• The destruction of the antichrist and his followers

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8




JPT

Mat 24 has 2 comings.
Re read it.
You left one out.

Omission is not the high ground.

Numerous Bible verses have already been shown to you, you ignored them all. In Matt 24:29-31 Jesus clearly said His second coming is "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation", all the rest of the Olivet Discouse AFTER that was describing the what it was like in the Day of the Lord, including "one taken one left" part, and yet you've just shifted it to pre-trib. You love your wishful thinking, keep it to yourself.

Lot is a huge problem.
He was removed.PREJUDGEMENT.
They went and got him
He was taken.
Kinda like the one on the roof dynamic.

SO WAS THE BABY JESUS.

But hey, no postribber will acknowledge that.

Red flag big time.
Banished or reframed into
"lot had zoar"
Uh huh.

nobody has EVER questioned the fact Jesus returns AFTER the trib.
We are well aware of that.

You need to produce something relevant.

Now try saying something true.

Could you prove the Scripture for this?

Thanks.

nobody has EVER questioned the fact Jesus returns AFTER the trib.
We are well aware of that.

You need to produce something relevant.
Not falsely claim " you ignore them all"

Ahem;
You got 2 verses.
Mat 24 " after the trib"....i address that all the time..no problem.

Then the one fg made famous in your camp;
The "no heaven celebration" (nobody goes to heaven because we ignore and reframe anything pointing to it) that you guys think has any relevance.

.....Your ONLY 2 verses!

I ignore none of it.
It is easy to address, and correct yall.
No problem

Now try saying something true.

Surely you can do it.

The subject is the rapture. One taken-left.
The marriage in heaven obviously takes place before Jesus returns with the wife,on white horses in Revelation 19.
In the Jewish marriage dynamic, the newlywed husband, would not go to war for an extended period of time.
Therefore the marriage would have been completed for some time ,in Heaven, for the bride, which would be called the wife, in Revelation 19 descends , on horses, with Jesus to the battle.

Mat 24 has 2 comings.
Re read it.
You left one out.

But you also left out the coming of Jesus in rev 14 (that is neither the rapture or the second coming on horses).

Omission is not the high ground.

The Foundation of all Truth begins in Genesis and continues thru to Revelation.

Genesis is the 'smell test' for foundational doctrines.

Just as the Lord Jesus is the Cornerstone of the Temple so to is Genesis the cornerstone for the rest of Scripture to be built upon.

A. God = Elohim = Father Son Holy Spirit = Genesis ch1
B. Creation
C. Man
D. Woman
E. Serpent/Satan/Sin
F. Judgment pronounced
G. Wrath to come
H. Savior Promised = Deliverance from God's wrath to come = Animal(s) sacrificed and their skins cover the nakedness (sin) of Adam and Eve
I. Tribulation upon the Righteous = Cain slays Abel
J. Children of wrath = Cain
K. Tribulation = Satan comes to earth in physical manifestation thru some of his angels
L. Tribulation = Genetic corruption/manipulation of all flesh to pervert and prevent Messiah thru Man made in the Image of God
M. Tribulation upon the entire world that "then was" = Enoch walks with God and speaks to the Angels face to face = Jesus 1st Coming
N. God's warning of impending wrath = Grace = Noah
O. Out of town = Noah & Family, thru Grace, escape God's wrath and skip town(temporary) but return to rebuild the ruins = Isaiah 58
P. People repopulate the earth for the purpose of Messiah to fulfill all Righteousness which was first spoken in Genesis
Q. Question??? = When will Messiah come? = Moses/Law/Prophets
R. Run to Christ and be saved
S. Savior/Salvation upon the Cross dies for us
T. Triumph over the Grave = HE is Risen
U. Up and away Christ returns to where HE came from = the Glory
V. Victory for sinful man as Christ pours out His Blood upon the Mercy Seat at the Right Hand of God = Eternal Priesthood
W. When will Christ Return???
X. X Marks the Spot = Mark of the Beast
Y. Yearning for Christ under Great Tribulation
Z. Revelation/Omega = Christ is the Alpha and the Omega = Beginning and End = His Return, Resurrection of the Just and Restoration

This is obviously in brief leaving out much detail in between A thru to Z but is the cornerstone of all Biblical Truth.

As there can be 'no marriage IF EVERYBODY isn't there, then it will have to WAIT until the 'alive and remaining' are changed. Since the alive and remaining are changed AT HIS RETURN when His Brightness destroys Satan and Satan is bound for the 1000 years aka the The Lords Day aka The day of Vengeance and that is when GREAT TRIBULATION/Judgment takes place hence the VERSES THAT COME right BEFORE IT,

That position would be wrong.

I understand you have all these other 'dynamics' about OTHER NON RELATED ISSUES that you wish to superimpose upon the The day of the Lord like harvests and Jewish weddings BUT THEY AREN'T WORKING. They are all CONJECTURE ON YOUR PART. IT ISN'T WRITTEN ANY WHERE THAT JEWISH WEDDING TRADITIONS OF MAN HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RETURN OF THE LORD. NEITHER DOES HARVEST HAVE TO DO WITH RETURN OF THE LORD


IF IT DID YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AND LAY IT RIGHT ON TOP OF IT AND THERE WOULD BE NO CONFLICT. BUT ALLL YOU HAVE IS CONFLICT. THAT ISN'T OF GOD. THAT IS CALLED TRADITIONS OF MAN.



ONE TAKEN IS TAKEN BEFORE THE RETURN OF CHRIST. THAT LEAVES ONLY ONE TO DO THE 'TAKING' AND THAT IS SATAN.

THE MARRIAGE COMES AFTER JUDGMENT, THAT IS IF YOU READ AND BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN.

YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SEASONS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIEF (THE ONE BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AKA SATAN UPON THE SOUL) COMES FIRST


Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

THE GOOD MAN WOULD NOT HAVE SUFFERED HIS HOUSE TO BE BROKEN INTO AND

NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE CAME AND FLEW HIM AWAY

BUT BECAUSE HE WATCHED AND DIDN'T LET THE THIEF BREAK IN.


AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE OVERCOMER OVERCOMING AND NOT THE GOOD MAN ENDURING UNTO THE END.

DavidTree said:
CORRECT = Scripture is 100% Pre-Wrath for His Elect
FreeGrace2 said:
Could you prove the Scripture for this?

Thanks.

I was hoping for specific verses that show a "pre-wrath removal of the elect".