BAPTISM

I was reading on this subject (Baptism) the other day.

I was reading on this subject the other day.
It seems that it was the eunuch’s idea to be baptized with water and does not appear that Phillip was initiating it.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


And the record in Acts 10:45 etc, with Peter and the gentiles, where Peter baptized them with water after they were filled and spoke in tongues. Then in chapter 11 Peter recounts the words of Jesus.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.



Another record I saw in Acts 19, you get the same impression of downplaying water and uplifting the baptism of the spirit.

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Did I say anything about it being 'irrelevant'?

No - I did not...

the apostles must not have known that water baptism was irrelevant

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. …..Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

….And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44, 47-48‬ ‭

To have faith we need hear something and believe it then we have a reason to act on it. like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38, 40-41‬ ‭

if we reject it and explain why it doesn’t apply it’s because we don’t believe it is true. Look at this fellow he was a believer

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems like either the Bible is teaching irrelevant doctrine that we should reject or we should believe it and get baptized for the remission of sins in christs name through his death for our sins

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Receiving the holy spirit is a gift given by Jesus it’s what he promised them . Water baptism is what God said to do in christs name and he would remit our sins because we’re acting on his promise to do so ( faith )

there’s a relationship for certain we need to receive the holy spirit and get baptized in water for remission of sins in his name

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I was reading this very story of Peter today to the first grade Sunday school class and thinking of this thread.

yeah it’s pretty basic stuff. Believe the gospel and get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins Faith 101

Biblically how many times should someone be baptized after being a believer?

Can you post scripture to back #2? Thanks.

I keep seeing these verses that are specific about water baptism and getting puzzled by those that say it's not important.

it’s part of the great commission

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (jesus )

teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus also connects it to salvation

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

what would Paul the servant and witness ever have to say that’s going to contradict what Jesus his lord and savior established ?

I think Many folks have the wrong idea of Paul and his role in the church. He was never preaching anything different from the gospel. He was just as the other apostles were witnessing the one gospel to the world he just highlights different aspects he doesn’t remove or change anything at all.

And what would it matter who initiated getting baptized regarding the eunuch ? Baptism for remission of sins was common knowledge in the region by this point .

John and his ministry of repentance and remission of sins is where the gospel starts and yes he was already preaching faith in Christ like your saying. Paul asked them if they had received the spirit yet and they said “ we’ve never heard of the spirit “

that’s why Paul pointed to Jesus he did preach and teach of the spirit John had preached of him.

They had done this part

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; …John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But hadn’t been around to hear this part of johns ministry

“and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Jesus arrived after John was imprisoned to those who had been baptized he said

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

johns ministry of baptism of repentance and remission Of sins is part of the gospel Jesus preaching the gospel of the kingdom is the other part.

All Paul was getting at was baptism for remission won’t save unless we believe in Jesus who she’s his blood for remission Of sins we get baptized because we do believe in Jesus dying for our sins

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so the conclusion is before and after his blood is shed if we hear and believe the gospel we’re going to want to get baptized for remission of sins in christs name

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬

remission of sins is only one aspect of it it has deeper meaning also but it seems alot Of folks don’t want to get baptized In his name also which is everyone’s choice. Speaking of doctrine though what scripture ac sully does say it’s really Clear

I found something from: oh man, if I could remember his name, it’s been a couple years, something like Ellubies (spelling?) back in the 4th century where he quoted the verse Mat 28:19 but he didn’t have - in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: It seems like I may have found that on google.

Eusebius of Caesarea, called Eusebius Pamphili, became the Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine about the year 314AD. Eusebius, historian, exegete and polemicist, and renowned Church Father, was a scholar of the Biblical Canon. He wrote Demonstrations of the Gospel, Preparations for the Gospel, and On Discrepancies between the Gospels, studies of the Biblical text. As "Father of Church History" he produced the Ecclesiastical History, On the Life of Pamphilus, the Chronicle, and On the Martyrs. Little is known about Eusebius' life. source

I have a question about that verse which has puzzled me for some time. I have researched it to the best of my abilities, but I am not like some of these people who are fairly in-depth when it comes to research.

I found something from: oh man, if I could remember his name, it’s been a couple years, something like Ellubies (spelling?) back in the 4th century where he quoted the verse Mat 28:19 but he didn’t have - in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: It seems like I may have found that on google.

The whole reason I did research on it (if you want to call it research) Is because I couldn’t find anyplace in the gospels or in the epistles that the apostles baptized that way, using - in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

I know Catholic religion does that, or used to, and maybe others do also, but can you find it anyplace that the apostles did that?

Do you or anybody else know why that is. It seems if Jesus Asked them to do that it should be very important.

I don’t know what this has to do with water, It just caught my attention and I would love an answer on it.

yes there are always those who try to make really anything that’s clear , irrelevant. Just keep following where the word is leading you , and believing what the lord is teaching you and sharing it with others .

of most are agreeing with you lol it means your probably speaking from the world and tickling thier ears.

I’m convinced that the new age “ grace” doctrine in the world is the reason because it teaches people anything you are supposed to do , isn’t grace and if you think you need to do anything Jesus said to do and be saved then you are trying to “save yourself by works”

which of course is silly but a lot of people have bitten that lure it seems. I am no one special but I would just encourage you to stick with what your learning from the gospel you have the right understanding about baptism it’s important.

just like you heard and believe that the rest of the gospel works the same way God will teach us if we stick to his words as we’re able to hear it God bless and keep you in the lord and his word and ways

I also noticed every time baptism took place it was in his name and never “ in the name of the father son and Holy Ghost like your talking on about

I appreciate you post, and I understand what you are saying, and I don’t doubt that Jesus is the fullness of God.

I am glad you recognized that also, I am sure there is a reason, but I see no place that would indicate Jesus gave them different instructions.

It’s a stupid curiosity thing that I have thought about every once and a while. It doesn’t change anything I just wondered.

Thank you for your help, it’s just going to be one of those unanswered questions.

The next record of baptism in

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Hey Peter, did you forget something - baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

I appreciate you post, and I understand what you are saying, and I don’t doubt that Jesus is the fullness of God.

I am glad you recognized that also, I am sure there is a reason, but I see no place that would indicate Jesus gave them different instructions.

It’s a stupid curiosity thing that I have thought about every once and a while. It doesn’t change anything I just wondered.

Thank you for your help, it’s just going to be one of those unanswered questions.

The next record of baptism in

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Hey Peter, did you forget something - baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

The KJV Bible instructs method of baptism;

1611 edition KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Why is there a question about who should be referred too when baptizing?
Only to try and establish doubt...by the new age religion type..