Are we in the end times ?

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ewq1938

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The text states this:

"And I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The word "the" is not there:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/7/14/s_1174014

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, (ek megas thlipsi) and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
 

TheDivineWatermark

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The word "the" is not there:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/7/14/s_1174014

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, (ek megas thlipsi) and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
BLB has a habit of not showing the definite article ('the') as a distinct word in the text, wherever [ANYWHERE] that there IS one.



Take, for example, the very next verse... verse 15... where "THE throne" (2x) is spoken of (as well as "THE temple of Him")...

...One can see in the kjv that "THE" is used with the word "throne" (2x in v.15)... HOWEVER, BLB DOES NOT REFLECT THIS FACT (see links below). They consistently LEAVE OUT showing the word "the" in MOST (IF NOT ALL) OF what they provide at that source... and I can only guess it's due to the fact that there are SO MANY "the" words used in Scripture that it becomes cumbersome (from their perspective)...

-- https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/7-15.htm [BibleHub] "THE throne" (2x in v.15)... which DOES show up in the English translation kjv... but which "the" DOES NOT SHOW UP as a distinct word AT BLB... (this is their habit)...

-- BLB does NOT show "the" as a distinct word in ANY verse which indeed has this word (I'm pretty sure they show NONE of them that ARE INDEED IN THE VERSE) - Verse 15, for example: "THE throne" (2x) DOES NOT SHOW the "THE" (as a distinct / separate word) at BlueLetterBible - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/7/15/ss1/s_1174015 though "the" IS INDEED in this text (and the kjv reflects this fact... in this verse).



IOW, BLB is not a good source for determining where the distinct word "the [G3588]" is used in Scripture, because THEIR source does not get that detailed...
(at least it doesn't on the surface/front/main page showing the verse... one has to go into the "TOOLS" page, clicking on a certain linked page THERE, in order to see it... like this where the Greek word "THE" shows up as the distinct / separate word THAT IT IS, unlike at the main page which ignores this [if it shows up here, not sure it will... links can be funny sometimes]: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/7/15/ss1/t_concif_1174014 )




Bottom line: BLB rarely IF EVER shows the word "the [G3588]" as a distinct word even in the texts where "the" IS INDEED present in the text... at least not on its main / surface / front page. So BE AWARE of this fact about BLB.
 
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Mat_24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Since it is a tribulation that will be worse than anything before or will be again, this makes it unique. Therefore calling it THE great tribulation communicates properly.
Food, gas and fertilizer prices are skyrocketing and you guys are still bxtching about hermeneutics? Whatever that "GREAT tribulation" is, wherever it's marked on God's schedule, one tribulation is already at the door, and no heavenly host will rapture you out of it, guaranteed.
 

Nehemiah6

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The word "the" is not there: "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, (ek megas thlipsi) and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
Actually "the" is there in the Greek text of Revelation 7:14: τῆς (tēs = the) θλίψεως (thlipseōs = tribulation) τῆς (tēs = the) μεγάλης (megalēs = great) or literally "the tribulation, the great" and idiomatically "the Great Tribulation". Everyone understands it a "The Great Tribulation", not simply "great tribulation" and here's the reason given by Christ (Mt 24:21): For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This will be a specific and unique time of history.
 

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Food, gas and fertilizer prices are skyrocketing and you guys are still bxtching about hermeneutics? Whatever that "GREAT tribulation" is, wherever it's marked on God's schedule, one tribulation is already at the door, and no heavenly host will rapture you out of it, guaranteed.
stop cursing.
 
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Look I don't wanna say this and I don't wanna face it, but the pre-COVID world before 2020 is long gone and it'll never come back. Weak men are creating hard times, those Laodicean care-free days are over. We may not be in THE tribulation or THE end times, but we're definitely in A tribulation and the end of AN era.
 
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Are we in the end times ?

No, the end times were in the time of John:

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 

Thewatchman

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I conclude you are applying a Euphonism of sorts but, applicable meaning of fig tree with generation is obscured.
I was referring to the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 24:32-34 Where Jesus said learn the parable of the fig tree; He also said it again in Mark 13:28-30 Have you learned it? Has your pastor taught you the meaning of it? Do you thank it is important to know it. Jesus said "Now learn a parable of the fig tree"
 

Thewatchman

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Are we in the end times? In my opinion, probably, though I don't want to live anywhere near the great tribulation.
Why do you thank God is upset with you? He took care of the 3 Hebrew children in the fire, He took care of Danial in the Lions den, fed the children of Israel in the wilderness. Do you not thank He can take care of you? What about Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men that have not the seal of God IN their forehead.
 

Thewatchman

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How are we in "the final generation"? How are WE "the generation of the fig tree"? There is NO fig-tree generation taught in Scripture and there is NO teaching of any FINAL generation.
So you don't believe the teachings of Jesus; because I used His words not mine. Read Mark 13:28-33. Verse 30 Verily I say unto you this generation shall not pass away till all these things be done.
 

Thewatchman

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We get from this physical dwelling to a heavenly dwelling when our physical bodies die and return to dust in the earth. I don't have to prove that there is no rapture--rapturists need to prove that there is. The "evidence" is lacking. Please show scripture that there IS a rapture.
He can't there isn't any scripture to back it up.
 

Beckie

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Isn't that like saying, "President Biden gave a speech today about war." There is no "the President" in the sentence.

The Great Tribulation is the "Great Tribulation" Christ spoke of. The use of "the" means it's a specific time of great tribulation.
No it is not the same the president's speech is not God's Word. Claiming the Word says 'the antichrist' when it does not should be a scary thing. That claim takes away from what and how the Scripture define the term antichrist. Turns it into a bunch of speculation. Has folks looking here and there for some political figure to fill their speculation. John lays out very clearly what makes persons or spirits antichrist. IN a nut shell it is not believing Jesus is the Messiah.

Books & movies tell the tale of mans view of antichrists . Their whole idea is not scriptural . We hear The Antichrist is going to do this or that yet there is not Scriptural support. Just sensationalism, used like a used car salesman. We dont say God opened the door to the tomb because the Scriptures say the stone rolled away. We dont change Jesus riding the donkey to Him riding a camel, nor do we say He turned the water into coffee or Pepsi. Yet we find it common to change the man of lawlessness, the beast , son of perdition to antichrist . Using the term antichrist is sensational it sells books and movies...
 

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Food, gas and fertilizer prices are skyrocketing and you guys are still bxtching about hermeneutics? Whatever that "GREAT tribulation" is, wherever it's marked on God's schedule, one tribulation is already at the door, and no heavenly host will rapture you out of it, guaranteed.
The distortion of God's Word matters.
 

Beckie

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Mat_24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Since it is a tribulation that will be worse than anything before or will be again, this makes it unique. Therefore calling it THE great tribulation communicates properly.
So the Scriptures do not communicate properly and need mans help.
 
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The distortion of God's Word matters.
God’s word doesn’t stay on paper, it comes to pass in reality, and Sons of Issachar understand these signs of time, they have the Bible in one hand and reliable news articles in the other hand.
 

Beckie

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reliable news articles in the other hand. ? Where does one find reliable news articles ... Biden won Hunter laps top is a lie FDR and JFK did not cheat on their wives, Bush was an honest man. .. WWI was the war to end all wars ... Covid info... BLM is a good thing.. Cops kill hundreds of young black men... God is not a man that He should lie. Seems to me EVERY news org. butters its bread on what they believe the 'reader' want to hear
 
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reliable news articles in the other hand. ? Where does one find reliable news articles ... Biden won Hunter laps top is a lie FDR and JFK did not cheat on their wives, Bush was an honest man. .. WWI was the war to end all wars ... Covid info... BLM is a good thing.. Cops kill hundreds of young black men... God is not a man that He should lie. Seems to me EVERY news org. butters its bread on what they believe the 'reader' want to hear
Those relatively reliable ones will fall into biblical prophecies if you know how to see the spiritual aspect from current events. Others, like “this or that celebrity reacts to xyz event”, are just background noises.
 

Beckie

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Those relatively reliable ones will fall into biblical prophecies if you know how to see the spiritual aspect from current events. Others, like “this or that celebrity reacts to xyz event”, are just background noises.
Really i have watched the Christian world look to newspapers to see what God is doing most all my life... Like astrologers man can make stuff fit what they want. When a Zionist sets up Israel to be the all in all to God subtilty adds/ subtracts to scripture to the point we ignore direct Scripture that does not fit narrative it might as well be straight from CBSABCFOXMSNBCETC.
 

Beckie

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Growing up in AoG Sunday School, Sunday night service and Wednesday Bible Study i heard so very often some form of Rapture any moment ! yet those folks that tell ya rapture at any time tell ya that prophesies need to be fulfilled ... something is just off about that it is as dishonest as pretending to agree.
 

Amanuensis

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Growing up in AoG Sunday School, Sunday night service and Wednesday Bible Study i heard so very often some form of Rapture any moment ! yet those folks that tell ya rapture at any time tell ya that prophesies need to be fulfilled ... something is just off about that it is as dishonest as pretending to agree.
The AOG teaches the imminent return of Christ in the rapture can happen at any moment. However, the 2nd Coming when Jesus steps upon Mt Olivet does not happen until after the prophesies of THAT WICKED is revealed (which is a judgment on the world) and also the other judgments of Revelation are poured out.