Do we stress baptism enough?

How does understanding any of those things now prevent you from continuing a life of sin?

I mean, are you sinless now?

There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith,


one God and Father of all Who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:1-6)

I agree good post to consider. I’m not sure we need to stress it so much as just share what the word says about it and not explain it away when it comes up.

All of that being said, if someone confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus and says they believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead then your only course of action should be to believe them and give them a water baptism immediately.

Unless, of course, you’re saying you are bold enough to call someone a liar to their face and risk calling God a liar. It sounds like you’re willing to take that gamble.

Thanks, Magenta, the point I have been endeavouring to make all along. No one (or two?) wants "God's Math" that ONE Spiritual Baptism does NOT Equal two baptisms. Ephesians 4:5 Spiritually Agrees with Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 So, I can't figure out why - to Mix these up
with (physical) water, in order to stay in Confusion?

So, you want us to stay with this Confusion of "sharing what the word says
about it," according to Several Different denominational traditions? ie:

1) believe AND be baptized {i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?

2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?

6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?

7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?

10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

11) immersion of young and middle-aged women 'similar' to worldly/ungodly 'wet t-shirt' contests?

12) immersion Discriminates Against ALL "those who CANNOT 'obey' this ritual" ie: the hospitalized, the bedridden, the homebound, the invalids, the traumatized, etc.

God is Certainly 'NOT the author' (1 Corinthians 14:33) of all this "carnal DIVISION"
which is similar to what Paul addresses in (1 Corinthians 1:9-17), Correct?

Again, our 'choice' = participate in this Massive Confusion or,
believe God (not "calling Him a liar"), Today, Under GRACE =

There is 'ONLY' ONE Baptism, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE! Amen?

I apologize, I thought I already said (so, at the risk of (gambling) RE-peating myself):
that "I am not The JUDGE of who is or is not saved, since that IS God's OPERATION!"

So, which of the TWELVE Confusing baptisms above is "your Only course of action,"
or is there a Risk of calling those who believe "one" of the Other eleven, a liar?

Or, worse, are the gambling odds 11 to 1, that possibly "you could be wrong"?

GRACE And Peace...

They don't, and I would never convey such an idea to any person.



No, I'm not perfect and never will be. Hence, I am thankful for the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effectual Power that is applied by the Laws of the Spirit of Life (the sending of the Holy Spirit). These Laws are responsible for all personal growth that I have undertaken since having my Heart Circumcised by Christ. I take no credit for anything, nor does the Lord require my assistance for anything . . . and I mean nothing.

What happened to me is exactly what the Bible states will happen to any who belong to the Family of Circumcision:

John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

Thanks, Magenta, the point I have been endeavouring to make all along. No one (or two?) wants "God's Math" that ONE Spiritual Baptism does NOT Equal two baptisms. Ephesians 4:5 Spiritually Agrees with Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 So, I can't figure out why - to Mix these up
with (physical) water, in order to stay in Confusion?

So, you want us to stay with this Confusion of "sharing what the word says
about it," according to Several Different denominational traditions? ie:

1) believe AND be baptized {i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?

2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?

6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?

7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?

10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

11) immersion of young and middle-aged women 'similar' to worldly/ungodly 'wet t-shirt' contests?

12) immersion Discriminates Against ALL "those who CANNOT 'obey' this ritual" ie: the hospitalized, the bedridden, the homebound, the invalids, the traumatized, etc.

God is Certainly 'NOT the author' (1 Corinthians 14:33) of all this "carnal DIVISION"
which is similar to what Paul addresses in (1 Corinthians 1:9-17), Correct?

Again, our 'choice' = participate in this Massive Confusion or,
believe God (not "calling Him a liar"), Today, Under GRACE =

There is 'ONLY' ONE Baptism, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE! Amen?

I apologize, I thought I already said (so, at the risk of (gambling) RE-peating myself):
that "I am not The JUDGE of who is or is not saved, since that IS God's OPERATION!"

So, which of the TWELVE Confusing baptisms above is "your Only course of action,"
or is there a Risk of calling those who believe "one" of the Other eleven, a liar?

Or, worse, are the gambling odds 11 to 1, that possibly "you could be wrong"?

GRACE And Peace...

Throughout the book of Acts there are accounts of people being baptized as soon as possible upon believing the good news. This indicates that baptism was an integral and important part of the message. Nowhere is this more clear than Acts 8:34-36:

"So the eunuch answered Philip and said, 'I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?' Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, 'See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?' "

After Philip "preached Jesus to him" the eunuch wanted to be baptized at the first opportunity, indicating that part—an important part—of the message Philip preached to him was baptism.

So often all you hear preached is only part of the good news—believing and receiving. Whether or not you believe baptism is critical for the forgiveness of sins or rebirth, it can't be denied that it should be preached and practiced. Organizations like the Salvation Army don't even teach or practice baptism at all.

So why do you regret getting baptized

OK ----ask yourselves was the thief on the cross with Jesus who was saved by Jesus Baptised by water ----I don't think so --------

Water Baptism today is just an outward expression of our Faith in Jesus Christ ---if Water baptism is necessary for salvation then that is by works not faith -------and that goes against what the Bible says -----if water Baptism is needed to be saved then that is an attack on the Sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ -----

Only the Blood of Jesus washes away sins ---no water baptism can do that --

The Holy Spirit is likened unto water ------so we are now Baptised in the Holy Spirit and we choose to be dunked in Water as an outward expression of our faith in Jesus Christ --



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4 Bible Verses about The Holy Spirit Described As Water

I'm beginning to think that you're toying with me, as I'll now copy and paste the clear answer, to you, for the second time.

"My "church" didn't teach me the True Gospel, nor did they tell me about True commitment, thus, immediately after I was water baptized, with still wet hair, I walked one block down the street and stole a bag of rubber bands for my paper route business. I was 12 years old. I wish that my "church" hadn't ever allowed me to be baptized, as I then spent the next four-plus decades believing that I was Truly saved. Unfortunately, I was not. I then learned about all kinds of sin and simply became worse . . . and worse . . . and worse . . . and worse . . . and worse."

I know that I wasn't saved because with hair still wet from baptism, I stole from a 7-11 convenience store. But five+ years ago, I had the most remarkable experience with God. It was at this moment that my heart received the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ. Instantly, I had an entirely new life that I could not ignore. When a person experiences the Raw, Almighty Presence of God to the degree that His Power nearly took my life, no one can ever remain the same. I learned, that day, that I am alive because He allows it. That day, I developed genuine, True Fear of the Lord. That day, I began to change to reflect the Glory of the Lord more and more. And, the more that I tried to control my life, the less I was able to be in control. There is no possible way that I am in control over my life, considering all that has taken place since that incredible day.

But as for the Transformation, it is best expressed by looking at the life of king Saul. What happened to Saul's thinking process when the Spirit of the Lord was taken from him and he was then given an evil Spirit? His thinking changed; his behavior changed. He went from a kind king whom many loved to a king who sought to murder David. His thinking changed. He felt different. His life became different. In reverse, this happened to me, much like it happened to Saul, later to be renamed Paul. When we both met the Lord in the most Powerful of ways, our Transformation began and there was no turning back. Just as Saul knew to call our "Lord" before he knew that this Power that blinded him was the Christ, he knew that it was the Lord.

When the Sinful Nature is lifted, a person knows it. There is no mistaking the change of thinking, of which behavior is sure to follow. Think of the difference in the way Adam and Eve felt after having only known perfect thinking, to later received the Curse of the Lord, thus thinking in alignment with the Devil. Drastic! Horrible! Awful! When a person is lifted of the Mind of the Devil, they know it . . . it is clear and conclusive. There is no mistaking the difference in how a person feels, thinks, and begins to act once alleviated of this Adamic Curse as described in Romans 5. Furthermore, when a person receives this Circumcision of the Heart, and they read Colossians 2:9-15, it all makes sense, for they, just in that moment, Truly understand what has happened to them.

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

Any True Christian, or True Jew, will read these Seven perfect verses and understand, clearly, what has happened to them. These verses will slowly begin to make more and more sense as time goes on. But when they read of the Circumcision of the Sinful Nature, this act by Christ explains why they have Transformed, just as Paul explains in Romans 12:2.

Circumcision of Heart is the Purpose of Christ, and it is much of the Work of Christ, and it results in the Holy Effect of Christ. And as said, those who have received this Spiritual Circumcision, all things begin to change. ALL things in their life, hence, Romans 12:2. Colossians 2:9-15 is the single most context-filled set of Scripture that explains the entire Bible.

I'll stop, as I could literally write a book on this topic. And considering that I have written these things probably 100 times now over the course of being here nearly one year . . . it's tiring writing the same old thing . . . over, and over, and over, and over, and over. I don't need to write these things over and over, for all that a person needs to do is read the Bible for themselves and judge themselves and their lives based upon all of Scripture; not just little bits and pieces that seem to explain their sinful, wretched, pathetic lives . . . all the while calling themselves "Christian." It's time for people to stop determining the meaning of Scripture-based upon their lives, but to begin determining who THEY are based upon Scripture.

I believe baptism should be a very personal choice. I wouldn't say pushing it is good bc it loses its value. I loved my baptism. It was definitely spiritual and I waited a long time even after being saved for it. I was in my early 30s. I'm glad I wasn't a teenager or too young to fully understand.

In addition I had a crazy dream that night in which a man spoke to me in Greek. At the time I was really into dreams so I looked it up as soon as I woke up. I don't speak Greek. He said "a new life." I had assumed he meant because I was baptized. But 1 year later on the SAME DAY I seen my baby's first heartbeat. I was 6 weeks pregnant after going through 5 years of infertility. "A new life"

Read John 3:13-17. This is important as Jesus gives direct commentary on water baptism, the Holy Spirit gets involved, and God the Father spoke from heaven, so they those standing around could audibly hear His voice.

Matthew 3:13-17
13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1. Jesus made it clear to John that He needs to get water baptized.
2. Jesus said they getting water baptized was part of fulfilling all righteousness.
3. Jesus received the baptism of the Holy Spirit during His water baptism.
4. God the Father spoke form heaven during His water baptism.
5. Jesus began His ministry after His water baptism.

Don’t you think that if Jesus said it’s part of fulfilling all righteousness that maybe you should just take that in faith and get water baptized? This isn’t a trick question: do you reject water baptism yes or no?

Sadly we do have to actually ask people if they reject water baptism nowadays, but in the ministry of Jesus and the early church it was a common practice.

I'm just cross referencing your answers for consistency. I just don't understand what you seem to think is spiritually different between you without a bunch of head knowledge and you with a bunch of head knowledge. I still don't really agree with most of what you said about water baptism, but more power to you. Glory to God.

I’ll show you a mystery:

Jesus and John were still under the law at the time.
John was of the priestly lineage and he also toke a vow of a Nazarite. If you will, he was a priest of priests.
Under the law it was appropriate to wash the sacrifice before offering it.
So Jesus goes to the priest and says “wash me”. We know the exchange.
The righteousness that was fulfilled is that which is under the law: the sacrifice was washed. It certainly wasn’t so that Jesus had a clean conscience before God, right?
God’s proclamation from heaven certified the event, and Jesus was called the rightful heir of the throne of God.
It was at that time He became a “living sacrifice”, which is our standard as well. Here, He gave up His own life so that the Father could live through Him. This is the actual point where He gave His life for us, which, we know, culminated with the death of His body on the cross.

As one who has been baptized in water, I say this account is not about that.

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

John did water Baptism for Repentance only

nothing changed though and Jesus was under the law until he was baptized received the Holy Ghost and began to preach the everlasting gospel of which baptism is an entrance

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the prophets lead here to this promise of John ( Elijah ) and Jesus the lord and messenger of the eternal covenant

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: ( John)

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: ( Jesus ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel begins here fulfilling that promise

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. ….John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-5‬ ‭

the people were yet under the law but Jesus had already kept it and now was announcing the gospel the long promised new covenant. It’s why he began to teach contrary to the law he wasn’t under it after his baptism. And why his disciples kept baptizing even after johns imprisonment

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: ( the law of Moses exodus 21:24-25)

but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”( the contrary point of the gospel )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it wasn’t complete until he died and rose then all his words became the covenant

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for a short time the people were yet under the law , so he told them to keep it until all was fulfilled. They were also hearing the gospel of the kingdom when he died the law was fulfilled and gospel became the covenant and was sent to all the world with this command

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

it’s why they kept baptizing people for remission of sins after he died and rose it’s actually part of the gospel not the law it remits the sins under the law and then allows one to receive the spirit having thier sins remitted

either believing first and receiving the spirit and then getting baptized for remission or getting baptized and then receiving the spirit

Yes, I have observed that error of emphasizing word formulas.

I agree that baptizing in the Name of Jesus was not emphasizing a phrase or magic words either way. Whether they said in the name of the Father, son and Holy Spirit or the name of Jesus if they were doing it in the name of Jesus, which means in the authority of.

For example they healed people in the name of Jesus not necessarily by saying "in the name of Jesus" every time. They might say "Be Healed" and because they were doing it by the authority of Jesus they were doing it in the name of Jesus even though they did not specifically say those words.

If I baptize someone in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I did it in the name of Jesus even if I did not say "in the name of Jesus". If I baptize someone "In the name of Jesus" I baptized them in the name of the Father, son and Holy Spirit even if I did not say In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

One cannot baptize in the name of Jesus unless they have been given the authority to do so. We are given this authority by the command of Jesus to do so and are baptizing in the authority of Jesus and when we start arguing over what specific words are spoken when we are doing it then we have gone backwards in our understanding, deemphasizing the spirit and truth of the act of faith, and focusing on the legalistic ritualism and clutic practice of spell casting and pagan incantations all over again which unregenerate men are prone to do.

You are correct it isn't a set of hocus pocus, presto change-o, magic words. It's possible to be anything "in name only" and that's a clue as to who should and should not be baptizing people. Those who water baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of God in heart, word, and deed; everyone else isn't since there are only two kinds of people in the world: those in Christ and those not in Christ.

This means two things: one, those who are water baptized should ensure that the one who water baptized them is a real Christian; two, those who are not real Christians have no authority to perform valid water baptisms.

Jesus never baptized anyone in water. And after He ascended His baptismal medium was the Spirit and fire. His baptism ratified the new testament because it required a sacrifice. He was the willing, living sacrifice who would wholly represent the Father to the people.

When He arose from the dead He became a life-giving Spirit. Now, His person is able to accommodate all who wish to be a living sacrifice. And, all those in Christ, have fulfilled all righteousness. We go under the water as a testimony to His burial, but the reckoning of being dead to sin is a changed mind. Water baptism is a witness to the enemy who pursues us and to our souls. It saves us, not so we go to heaven when we die, but it saves us from the pursuit of our enemy and from a conscience defiled by the world. When the enemy comes to accuse us of past transgressions we may point him to our baptism and say, “That guilty man died and you witnessed his burial.” As we live this truth the enemy may come around but he will find nothing in us for which to accuse us.