Do we stress baptism enough?

Runningman · Mar 22, 2022

According to Mark 1:5, everyone in Judea and Jerusalem got baptized by John in the Jordan River. That would have included all of the hand-picked disciples of Jesus. Think of this as a revival on steroids.

So your claims are false and have been debunked.

Mark 1:5 KJV
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Have you heard of the Great Commission? It involves making disciples, teaching, and water baptism. Jesus commanded His disciples to water baptize the disciples they make. Getting water baptized is not an option, it’s a commandment by Jesus for all true Christians.

Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

studentoftheword · Mar 22, 2022

2ndTimothyGroup said:

Well thanks for the nice compliment on my Avatar ---so kind of you ---and you can ignore me all you want to -----your not hurting my feelings ---I am way passed taking offence to what people say to me or about me ----

pottersclay · Mar 22, 2022

Wansvic said:

What scripture states this? I know of none.
Actually Paul explains the spiritual reality that takes place when a person is obedient to water baptism. Verse 6 makes the point that sins are destroyed through obedience to the command. This lines up with what is stated in Acts 2:38 and 22:16, as well as other places in scripture.

Rom 6:3-6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

I think i covered obedience in the above post.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 22, 2022

studentoftheword said:

So be it. To the list you shall go per your lack of care or concern. Amazing.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 22, 2022

Jo

studentoftheword said:

John preached repentance and baptized for remission of sins and preached faith in Christ who would come after him

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“John did water Baptism for Repentance only -------Repentance will not save you -------“

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So we have Grace and Gods forebearance towards us that we can come to repentance and not perish

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Repentance is a mind change only ---Repentance is you saying I am a sinner and I need a Saviour -----it has nothing to do with the heart change ---or a sin nature change”

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:12-13‬ ‭

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“only the Blood of Jesus can take away your sins --and water Baptism cannot do that”

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6, 11-12‬ ‭

Students of the word are looking to hear what’s in it. Not reject it and explain it all away.

this isn’t about just saying things and being excused from how we act and live it’s about letting the gospel change our mind and heart which is what changes our actions. Repentance leads to turning away from whatever sins we’ve been living in and turning towards the thkngs God has taught us to do

baptism is the same when John did it and after the cross when the apostles all did it

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. …

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39, 41‬ ‭

I don’t understand why so many Christians reject what is in scripture so clearly regarding something as simple as baptism but I myself am not willing to do that but your free to think what you think as we all are

Amanuensis · Mar 22, 2022

Wansvic said:

I believe that the Word of God is clear what Jesus said in this most authoritative of all the verses on the subject the initial command we call the Great Commission. This is the source reference. And he clearly said that we were to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. Therefore that is how I will do it.
And when I do it I also say In the name of Jesus just to keep the devil from trying to confuse someone if they run into one of those Jesus Only UPC types. But the truth is that I am baptizing in the name of Jesus because he told me to do this.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If they baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit they were indeed doing it in the name of Jesus.

Do you agree?

And why would that scripture not be of equal authority to another scripture such as...Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus

Both are true. And once someone understands what "in the name of means they understand why either formula is the saying the same thing if done in the authority of Jesus.

There are examples of healing in Acts where the words "in the name of Jesus" were not used but we understand that they healed in the name of Jesus. How? because they were given the authority to do so by Jesus and it is faith in Jesus that resulted in the miracle.

Too many today think that the miracle takes place when they shout "in the name of Jesus" like it is a bullet they fire off, but this is not what in the name of means. Many who are shouting "In the name of Jesus" are ignored by the devil because they are not in right relationship with Jesus and therefore are not operating in the express permission of Jesus, have not been sent by Jesus, and have not been granted his authority. Therefore regardless of the words they use they are not doing it in the name of Jesus.

Only if that relationship with Jesus is correct can one use the phrase and it mean anything.

Remember the seven sons of Skeva who said come out in the name of Jesus that Paul preaches. It Didn't do them any good. Because that is not what it means to be doing something in the name of Jesus.

In Acts 10 they just baptized them in the name of the Lord. Now we know what that means, but nevertheless one could demand that one say it just like that or he is not saying it right and he would have a point if the exact wording was necessary.

So we have different wordings in different verses but they all mean the same.

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the same as baptizing in the name of Jesus. He is the Son.

I consider it a subculture Christian cult teaching to tell someone that they need to be baptized over again if the preacher said Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And did not say "in the name of Jesus" as if saying Father, Son and Holy Spirit was not the same thing.

Such teaching should be rejected and one should have nothing to do with such a person as they are in a very dark place being used by satan to make believers doubt their salvation on a "technicality"

Pilgrimshope · Mar 22, 2022

Aaron56 said:

“Jesus never baptized anyone in water.”

I agree, his disciples baptized people in water when they believed the gospel. It’s part of the great commission.

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Why did the disciples continue baptizing in water for repentance and remission of sins in his name as he told
Then to do ?

before Jesus came forth

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after Jesus preached the gospel , died and rose and ascended and sent the Holy Ghost to his apostles and disciples

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

I’m not sure what your saying are you saying baptism means something different before and after the cross ? Or that one replaces the other ?

Johns message

“I indeed have baptized you with water:

but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭

Then Christ came forth and said

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter long after the ascention notice it hasn’t changed even for Gentiles ?

“ To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

….Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43-44, 47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice how believing doesn’t cancel our getting baptized but instead leads a person to do it ?

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, ( he was reading Isaiah 53) and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭

Are the scriptures just getting it all wrong ?

only Jesus can baptize with the Holy Spirit , he commanded us to baptize In Water as an action based on belief in his name for remission of sins .

One doesn’t replace the other one is what we do believing his promise

the other ( spirit ) is given from him to believers of his promise.

what you said there I’m not sure I disagree with but also I’m not clear what your saying there . Do you agree that the church continued baptizing in water for remission of sins before and after his death and resurrection ?

or are you saying receiving the holy ghost eliminates water baptisms purpose ?

GRACE_ambassador · Mar 22, 2022

@Amanuensis: "stressing water baptism"?

Precious friend, WHY Confuse this issue any further than it
Already is, by adding your theology to this?:

3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus"?
(all 12, [Now-Getting-Worse = 13!] Confusing traditions are in # 122)

And, now you wish to add "speaking in tongues" to the formula?:

Amanuensis said:

Now I suppose I have to Update the Confusion list, like this, eh?

3a) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus"?

3b) immersion ONCE in the "name of Iēsoûs"?
(all 12 Confusing traditions are in # 122)

The God That I know Has Made His Wonderful Works Known
to me, "in my OWN language" (NOT in combined Confusing
languageS), same as here: Acts 2:1-11

Now, charismatics MIGHT agree with you, but:

How is this any Different than what the Confused water
predecessors have Already done? ie, starting here:

"God is Faithful, By Whom ye were Called unto the Fellowship of

His SON JESUS CHRIST our LORD. Now I beseech you, brethren, By

The Name Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, that ye all speak the same

thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be

perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same

judgment..."

(Questions for:
@studentoftheword, @Aaron56, @Runningman, @peldom10,
and All other diligent Bible students studying/conversing water:

HOW does 13 Confusing traditions [12 in # 122] ↑ "Obey" This Above ↑,
Instead of ↓ Causing this below ↓ ?)

"...For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them

which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among

you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I

of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of CHRIST. Is CHRIST divided? was

Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?..."

(ie, TODAY, OF water:
"I am of baptist; and I of methodist; and I of presbyterian;
and I of immersion; and I of pouring; and I of sprinkling;
etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc + others yet unknown?)

"...I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I

baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not

whether I baptized any other..."

(Yes, Paul "did water baptize some" But, Only During God's Transition
From prophecy/law/water TO: Mystery/GRACE/ONE [Spiritual] Baptism!]

And, After he "Completed" Scripture With God's "Revelation Of The
MYSTERY" In Romans - Philemon, we Now Find, and Know, This!):

"...For CHRIST Sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach The Gospel:

not with wisdom of words, lest The Cross Of CHRIST should be

made of none effect. CHRIST The Wisdom and Power of God. For

the preaching of The Cross is to them that perish foolishness;

but unto us which are saved it is The Power Of God."

(1 Corinthians 1:9-18)

(Also Note):

1Co 3:1 "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto

spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in CHRIST."

Paul, Through Christ, has already Given us The Answer in
order to take care of all this carnal division (stressing over
the Massive Confusion of water!) = ONE Baptism!
+
Would God Have us SOLVE ALL 13 ConfusionS of water baptism?
------------------------------------------
Conclusion: since there is NO law/water ritual today, Under
GRACE/ONE Baptism, then there is no longer any Stress about
"demanding speaking in tongues" in the ritual, Correct?

GRACE And Peace...

studentoftheword · Mar 22, 2022

Runningman said:

You Wish ---you should really do your research on the Scriptures you quote ------

Mark 1 is John the Baptise -----Baptising for repentance ------this is not Jesus doing the Baptisms nor is it Jesus Baptising His disciples -----

Mark 1NIV
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah,[a] the Son of God,[b] 2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”[c]—
3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’”[d]

4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Mark 1 ---4 ----So lets have a look at this verses 4-5
4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

I say ----So we see John---PREACHING A Baptism of Repentance for the forgiveness of Sins -------

so John was proclaiming A BAPTISM of Repentance for the Forgiveness of Sins --------here is commentary on this ----A Baptism is important to Note here -----

Benson Commentary
Mark 1:4.
And preach the baptism of repentance — That is, preach repentance, and baptize as a sign and means of it. Thus John endeavoured to prepare men for the coming of that Messiah who was to save his people from their sins.

Mark1:5
5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

I say -----So we this word CONFESSING their sins -----and were Baptised ------

Greek word for Confess -----
[3670 /homologéō ("confess") means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit"

I say ---they were admitting they were sinners -------they were agreeing on this ----

Mark 1:5
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And there went out unto him all the land of Judea,.... The people of the land, a great number of them:
and they of Jerusalem; the inhabitants of Jerusalem,

hearing of this new preacher, the new doctrine that he taught, and the new ordinance that he administered:and were all baptized of him in the river Jordan,
confessing their sins; that is, as many of them as were brought to a sight and sense of their sins, and made a confession of them, these he baptized, or immersed, in the river Jordan;

Worth repeating this sentence --------
as many of them as were brought to a sight and sense of their sins, -----they were brought to Repentance ----

I say ----so we see John was teaching a NEW DOCTRINE and ORDINANCE --which was the coming Good News ----
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So now Matthew you quote ------

Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

this is the whole scripture ----NIV

The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I say ---so we see here if you read the whole Chapter ------- that Jesus has risen and he meets His Disciples on the Mountain and tells them to go out and make Disciples of all the nations -----So this includes the Gentiles not just Israel ----

So Jesus has not ascended into heaven yet -----so we know that this baptism he speaks of here is water as the Holy spirit had not come yet ---and the Disciples could only baptise by water ----Baptism of the Holy Spirit was out of their hands ------

Matthew 28:19 --commentary

Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible

and teach all nations; Jews and Gentiles, first the one, and then the other, the doctrines of the Gospel, and the ordinances of it; whatever they had learned from Christ, or were ordered by him, or "disciple all nations": make them disciples by teaching them;

Christ's orders are to "baptize": טבלו, "dip" them, as Munster's Hebrew Gospel renders it; that is, in water, which, though not expressed, is implied; for with no other baptism could the apostles baptize: not with the Holy Ghost, and with fire; for this was Christ's peculiar prerogative; but with water, which they in obedience to this commission practised

in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost;
by the authority of these three divine persons, who all appeared, and testified their approbation of the administration of this ordinance, at the baptism of Christ: and as they are to be invocated in it,
so the persons baptized not only profess faith in each divine person, but are devoted to their service, and worship, and are laid under obligation to obedience to them, Hence a confirmation of the doctrine of the Trinity, there are three persons, but one name, but one God, into which believers are baptized;

I say
So we see that this Baptism is different from John's Baptism -------as this one is professing faith in the Father --Son and Holy Spirit ------but this Baptism does not take away sins ------they are not saved -----they are professing their faith here -----

Runningman · Mar 22, 2022

studentoftheword said:

You Wish ---you should really do your research on the Scriptures you quote ------

Mark 1 is John the Baptise -----Baptising for repentance ------this is not Jesus doing the Baptisms nor is it Jesus Baptising His disciples -----

Mark 1NIV
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah,[a] the Son of God,[b] 2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”[c]—
3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’”[d]

4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Mark 1 ---4 ----So lets have a look at this verses 4-5
4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

I say ----So we see John---PREACHING A Baptism of Repentance for the forgiveness of Sins -------

so John was proclaiming A BAPTISM of Repentance for the Forgiveness of Sins --------here is commentary on this ----A Baptism is important to Note here -----

Benson Commentary
Mark 1:4.
And preach the baptism of repentance — That is, preach repentance, and baptize as a sign and means of it. Thus John endeavoured to prepare men for the coming of that Messiah who was to save his people from their sins.

Mark1:5
5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

I say -----So we this word CONFESSING their sins -----and were Baptised ------

Greek word for Confess -----
[3670 /homologéō ("confess") means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit"

I say ---they were admitting they were sinners -------they were agreeing on this ----

Mark 1:5
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And there went out unto him all the land of Judea,.... The people of the land, a great number of them:
and they of Jerusalem; the inhabitants of Jerusalem,

hearing of this new preacher, the new doctrine that he taught, and the new ordinance that he administered:and were all baptized of him in the river Jordan,
confessing their sins; that is, as many of them as were brought to a sight and sense of their sins, and made a confession of them, these he baptized, or immersed, in the river Jordan;

Worth repeating this sentence --------
as many of them as were brought to a sight and sense of their sins, -----they were brought to Repentance ----

I say ----so we see John was teaching a NEW DOCTRINE and ORDINANCE --which was the coming Good News ----
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So now Matthew you quote ------

Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

this is the whole scripture ----NIV

The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

I say ---so we see here if you read the whole Chapter ------- that Jesus has risen and he meets His Disciples on the Mountain and tells them to go out and make Disciples of all the nations -----So this includes the Gentiles not just Israel ----

So Jesus has not ascended into heaven yet -----so we know that this baptism he speaks of here is water as the Holy spirit had not come yet ---and the Disciples could only baptise by water ----Baptism of the Holy Spirit was out of their hands ------

Matthew 28:19 --commentary

Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible

and teach all nations; Jews and Gentiles, first the one, and then the other, the doctrines of the Gospel, and the ordinances of it; whatever they had learned from Christ, or were ordered by him, or "disciple all nations": make them disciples by teaching them;

Christ's orders are to "baptize": טבלו, "dip" them, as Munster's Hebrew Gospel renders it; that is, in water, which, though not expressed, is implied; for with no other baptism could the apostles baptize: not with the Holy Ghost, and with fire; for this was Christ's peculiar prerogative; but with water, which they in obedience to this commission practised

in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost;
by the authority of these three divine persons, who all appeared, and testified their approbation of the administration of this ordinance, at the baptism of Christ: and as they are to be invocated in it,
so the persons baptized not only profess faith in each divine person, but are devoted to their service, and worship, and are laid under obligation to obedience to them, Hence a confirmation of the doctrine of the Trinity, there are three persons, but one name, but one God, into which believers are baptized;

I say
So we see that this Baptism is different from John's Baptism -------as this one is professing faith in the Father --Son and Holy Spirit ------but this Baptism does not take away sins ------they are not saved -----they are professing their faith here -----

I’m a bit disappointed you quoted 99-100% Bible commentaries. I can’t even tell what’s your perspective here unless you just believe any commentary that happens to confirm what you think. That’s dangerous and will lead you into error. I have read many Bible commentaries and many of them are wrong,

Like I proved already, John the Baptist baptized literally everyone in Judea and Jerusalem. That means Jesus wouldn’t have needed to mention baptism to anyone or personally baptize His 12 disciples because that’d be redundant.

There is no Biblical precedent for multiple baptisms even when you go to a new place where no one in the public knows you. It is not primarily used as a public confession of faith, though it can be used simultaneously with a confession of Christ before people, but that isn’t the primary objective of the water baptism.

The commentaries you quoted seem to agree that the Great Commission is about water baptism so nothing further to say about that.

Runningman · Mar 22, 2022

GRACE_ambassador said:

@Amanuensis: "stressing water baptism"?

Precious friend, WHY Confuse this issue any further than it
Already is, by adding your theology to this?:

3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus"?
(all 12, [Now-Getting-Worse = 13!] Confusing traditions are in # 122)

And, now you wish to add "speaking in tongues" to the formula?:

Now I suppose I have to Update the Confusion list, like this, eh?

3a) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus"?

3b) immersion ONCE in the "name of Iēsoûs"?
(all 12 Confusing traditions are in # 122)

The God That I know Has Made His Wonderful Works Known
to me, "in my OWN language" (NOT in combined Confusing
languageS), same as here: Acts 2:1-11

Now, charismatics MIGHT agree with you, but:

How is this any Different than what the Confused water
predecessors have Already done? ie, starting here: