Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?
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You know that the Second Coming has not happened yet. 
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
Revelation 12:5 KJV
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
I’d say it’s that reference to the man child “ son of man “
no definately the second coming hasn’t yet happened that happens at the end of the world.
but I do believe the son of man Jesus was caught up to the throne already in heaven. Like he said many times he would be until his return from heaven
“When we read this in the fulness of it's context, we see what it is. It is the story of the ages. It is a vision given by God, who dwells above and outside of time itself. He steps us back and shows us the big picture.”
you mean the book of revelation ?
The Matthew 27 resurrection doesn’t fit neatly anywhere in scripture in my honest opinion.
It doesn’t seem to work as the first fruits resurrection either since “Christ the first fruits” is actually a singular word and doesn’t include anyone aside from Christ Himself.
It doesn’t seem to be the first resurrection since that occurs after Christ’s return.
It might be a special resurrection related to an Old Testament prophecy, but I’m not sure which one.
I would just prefer to say I don’t know.
It doesn’t seem to work as the first fruits resurrection either since “Christ the first fruits” is actually a singular word and doesn’t include anyone aside from Christ Himself.
It doesn’t seem to be the first resurrection since that occurs after Christ’s return.
It might be a special resurrection related to an Old Testament prophecy, but I’m not sure which one.
I would just prefer to say I don’t know.
it seems to have happened at this point
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. …And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Revelation 12:5, 7-9 KJV
which led to this
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17
which seems to be why we’re told about this
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
and this war that we’re in
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:11-12 KJV
it seems to be what Jesus was foretelling here also
“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”
John 14:30 KJV
and probably why the world is in this state
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
1 John 5:19 KJV
and why we’re called to ensure and overcome the world and enter the kingdom just some things tomclmsoder though
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. …And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Revelation 12:5, 7-9 KJV
which led to this
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17
which seems to be why we’re told about this
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV
and this war that we’re in
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:11-12 KJV
it seems to be what Jesus was foretelling here also
“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”
John 14:30 KJV
and probably why the world is in this state
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
1 John 5:19 KJV
and why we’re called to ensure and overcome the world and enter the kingdom just some things tomclmsoder though
so what are you saying the resurrection on Matthew didn’t happen ? Or is some other Not Mentioned resurrection ?
And being baptized into Christs death and resurrection doesn’t fit?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
Romans 6:3, 5 KJV
But yes we can just let it be it doesn’t need to come to a conclusion right now
And being baptized into Christs death and resurrection doesn’t fit?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
Romans 6:3, 5 KJV
But yes we can just let it be it doesn’t need to come to a conclusion right now
AGREE - God separates the Resurrection of the JUST from the resurrection of the unjust.
This is why our LORD says that ALL the Saints are Resurrected in the FIRST Resurrection.
“Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death." Rev 2:11
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
This is why our LORD says that ALL the Saints are Resurrected in the FIRST Resurrection.
“Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. Whoever is victorious will not be harmed by the second death." Rev 2:11
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
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Right this
“and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:27-29
is this
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:12-13, 15
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
but this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
is this
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Revelation 20:4 KJV
The only difference is one group receives remission of their sins believing and the the other group doesn’t they die still in thier sins rather than in the lord which means they have to wait till the end and be judged by their works alone without remission those who’ve done good Will live those who’ve done evil will be cast into the fire
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 8:24 KJV
“and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:27-29
is this
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:12-13, 15
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
but this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
is this
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Revelation 20:4 KJV
The only difference is one group receives remission of their sins believing and the the other group doesn’t they die still in thier sins rather than in the lord which means they have to wait till the end and be judged by their works alone without remission those who’ve done good Will live those who’ve done evil will be cast into the fire
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 8:24 KJV
The Matthew 27 resurrection happened, but I am saying I don’t know where it fits in scripture in light of the various other scriptures that make it crystal clear when the resurrections are. I am saying it’s probably a special resurrection just because God wanted to or it’s part of a prophecy in the Old Testament.
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Yes the book of revelation I agree.
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
Revelation 4:1-2 KJV
that’s sort of my point John is looking in heaven and sees a kingdom and people who had died on earth present in the kingdom where Christ is on the throne
he’s also seeing things happen on earth corresponding to what’s happening in heaven . He’s seeing heaven and all earth what happens first in heaven then comes to earth
in heaven
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
on earth
….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:7, 17 KJV
in heaven
“Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Revelation 7:15-17 KJV
On earth
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
Revelation 21:2-4 KJV
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
Revelation 4:1-2 KJV
that’s sort of my point John is looking in heaven and sees a kingdom and people who had died on earth present in the kingdom where Christ is on the throne
he’s also seeing things happen on earth corresponding to what’s happening in heaven . He’s seeing heaven and all earth what happens first in heaven then comes to earth
in heaven
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
on earth
….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:7, 17 KJV
in heaven
“Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
Revelation 7:15-17 KJV
On earth
“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
Revelation 21:2-4 KJV
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Is this one of those resurrections ? And does it also foretell another to come after ?
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:24-25, 28-29 KJV
does that fit in those scriptures anywhere regarding both resurrections one present and one in the end ?
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:24-25, 28-29 KJV
does that fit in those scriptures anywhere regarding both resurrections one present and one in the end ?