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Gojira

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Exactly, brother. That's what I did with JesusLives. We exchanged emails, and snail mail and had long nightly phone calls. A couple months later we physically met. It helped living only 120 miles apart. We will celebrate our 8th wedding anniversary later this year. It is very much real life interaction.
Bro... glad you found someone good. Ain't happening here, online or in real life. I don't mind starting here. I hate that it always ends here too.
 
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My time in NYC was limited to the Port Authority Terminal and I have been there a few times. I saw the rotating news sign and went outside on 8th Ave to look at Times Square.
Well, this brief post certainly brought back a lot of memories.

Back in November of 2000, I boarded a bus from the Port Authority Terminal in NYC (I lived in New Jersey at that time) which was headed to Florida. One of my friends at that time who I used to preach on the streets of New York with (there was a group of us, and we mostly preached in the Bronx, but we did preach in Times Square in Manhattan a few times, too) had recently moved to Florida, and he was going through some trying times, and he asked me if I could visit him for some spiritual support. His birthday was in early November, so I planned my trip to coincide with his birthday.

Interesting thing, though...

Two young women that I knew from a Bible study that I used to teach in Allentown, PA boarded that same bus with me. One of them was engaged to a "prosperity preacher", and they were both headed to Florida themselves to meet up with a missionary couple there, and then they were all supposed to go on a missionary trip together. Apparently, however, the proverbial "fix was in".

Early on in our 26 hour bus trip (it made a lot of stops along the way), the Lord clearly spoke to me and told me that the woman who was engaged to another man at that time was going to be my wife. This caught me totally off-guard. Not only because she was a woman who was engaged and who I never really thought of as a potential spouse myself, but even more so because I was basically a sworn eunuch for the kingdom of God at that time. All that I ever thought about was serving the Lord (some things never change), and I fully wanted to wait on the Lord without distraction as Paul wrote of in his first epistle to the Corinthians. In fact, I think that it had been something like 15 years since I had last dated anyone (part of that might have been because I was in a slump...lol).

Anyhow, to make matters even more unusual, this engaged woman left me and her female friend alone almost as soon as the long bus ride began. In fact, she went to the long back seat of the bus, laid down across it, and put a blanket over her whole body, including her head. She remained in that position for the entirety of the bus ride, and only moved when our bus reached any of its periodical stops.

Her friend and I were wondering what all of that was about...and I later learned exactly what it was about. Apparently, almost as soon as we boarded the bus, the Lord spoke to her and told her that I was going to be her husband. Apparently, she wasn't too thrilled to hear that (Nobody loves me...everybody hates me...I think I'll eat some worms...lol), and she was praying her head off while thinking that demons were talking to her.

Well, there's A LOT more to that story, but she and I got engaged in Florida on November 17, 2000, and we got married exactly three months later on February 17, 2021 on the beach in Navarre, Florida. Our marriage lasted somewhere around 17 years (we have three children together), but she ultimately renounced Christ/Christianity, cheated on me repeatedly, and then divorced me. That said, I've never once questioned whether or not the Lord truly brought us together. In fact, he confirmed that he did to both of us on multiple occasions and in multiple ways. If I were ever to tell you some of the things which transpired along the way in those approximately 17 years, then I'd probably make believers out of some of you, if not most of you.

My point?

I don't know...do I need one?

lol.

Like I said, it just brought back a lot of memories.

I do miss the street preaching part, and we definitely saw some good fruit there (with TONS of opposition).

That said, if I were ever to preach on the streets again in the manner in which I used to preach...

Well, let's just say that I'd immediately have a prison ministry because I would be behind bars myself.

Nowadays, you can't say anything without it being an alleged "hate crime".

I'll close with this...

@tourist

I've only made it to page 5 on this thread so far, but I'm THRILLED to see that you've transitioned from Mountain Dew (one of the worst drinks imaginable) to lemonade (my personal favorite).

Did the Lord reveal this to you in a vision?

lol.
 
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P.S.

I mentioned that I got married on 2/17.

Here's something that recently dawned on me as I was reading the book of Genesis:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Genesis 7:11)

Should any real relationships form here, then don't any of you ask me to help you plan the date of your wedding.

lol.
 
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Well, there's A LOT more to that story, but she and I got engaged in Florida on November 17, 2000, and we got married exactly three months later on February 17, 2021 on the beach in Navarre, Florida.
Obviously, that should have read "February 17, 2001"...not "2021".

My bad.
 
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I'll add this before continuing to read the rest of the posts on this thread...

The issue of "distance" has come up here.

In the case of me and my ex, she actually lived in Panama.

"It just so happened" (yeah, right, Lord) that her sister lived in the same apartment complex in Allentown, PA as did another of my friends who I used to preach on the streets with at that time and where I was teaching the Bible study. If you knew how she wound up at the study the first day that our Bible study began, then you'd clearly see the Lord's hand in that as well.

Anyhow, if God ordains something, then distance really isn't an issue.
 

Lanolin

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your ex she renounced christianity? and cheated on you?

um why, what? I suppose if you were meant to be married you married but then did God want you to be divorced as well. (though it was your ex that did the divorcing, or was it mutual...Im supposing you had to agree to it otherwise you'd still be married? )

What about your children how did they fare while all that drama was going on.
 
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your ex she renounced christianity? and cheated on you?
Yes, and yes.

The short answer is because she ultimately wasn't interested in the type of life that God calls us to. Remember, she was originally engaged to a "prosperity preacher".

Anyhow, in her specific case, it was NEVER a matter of her rebelling against anything that I said to her or did to her (I actually treated her like gold, and if I was to give more details, then that would be rather obvious).

Instead, the Lord repeatedly gave her dreams and visions throughout our marriage which she, in turn, told me about, and she ultimately hated him and his calling. I was basically "collateral damage".

I suppose if you were meant to be married you married but then did God want you to be divorced as well. (though it was your ex that did the divorcing, or was it mutual...Im supposing you had to agree to it otherwise you'd still be married? )
She did the divorcing. I really had no say in the matter. I don't remember all of the exact legal jargon, but I think that if you've lived separately for 2 years or more in Pennsylvania (and we did for the last 2 years), then one party can get the divorce finalized without the consent of the other party.

God hates putting away or divorce (Mal. 2:16), BUT let's not forget that he procured a divorce himself:

Jeremiah chapter 3

[1] They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
[2] Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
[3] Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
[4] Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
[5] Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[9] And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
[10] And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

Did God enter into a marriage covenant (Jer. 31:32) with someone who he later divorced?

Yes, as a matter of fact, he did.

What about your children how did they fare while all that drama was going on.
In all honesty, my ex slandered me to our children (and not just to our children) at least hundreds of times, if not literally thousands of times, while we were married (and after our divorce as well). Initially, they believed her because I never defended myself. I did everything that I could do to raise them in a peaceful environment. Anyhow, my children have since figured everything out on their own. I'm extremely close to my three children. They live with their Mom (they used to fluctuate and live part of the time with her, and part of the time with me, but it got difficult for them as far as schooling and other things were concerned), but they only live about 10 minutes away from me. I talk to them every day, and see them all of the time.

They're actually happy that we're divorced...but they definitely side with me now (not that I ever try to drive a wedge between them and their mother because I don't, and never have).

Anyhow, I don't want this particular thread to turn into my autobiography.

Like I said, tourist's comment brought back a lot of memories, so I just chimed in.

I'm certainly NOT here to blast my ex.

We're very amicable/cordial right now, and I pray for her every single day.

Do I believe that there's any real chance of reconciliation?

No, I don't.

She definitely has no desire for that whatsoever.
 

Lanolin

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aw am sorry to hear that
Im supposing she might marry again but you probably wont?

I think a lot of divorcees divorce because it gives the unfaithful one an opportunity to marry again without being a bigamist

couples that spend 2 or more years apart could agree to live separate lives yet still be married to each other, though thats kind of an expensive and disturbed lifestyle if you ask me...or the children. I mean the whole 'mum and dad cant be in the same room or within 10 metres of each other' is just ridiculous.
 

Lanolin

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but then again, if someone really is trying to kill you, you probably dont want to be near them, or eating with them ...being poisoned slowly is not a good way to die
 
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aw am sorry to hear that
Thanks.

I'm sorry, too...for multiple reasons, but it is what it is.

Im supposing she might marry again but you probably wont?
In her cheating days, she literally hooked up with a bunch of guys that she met on "sugar daddy" websites.

She spent the last few years with one of them who lent her $200,000 to start up her own business. The two of them were in business together until recently. She dumped him about 2 months ago, and bought out his share of the business. However, last I heard, they've been talking on the phone again every day.

Me?

I really don't know.

I'm not 100% sure that I could even remarry in God's sight. I'm still open to the possibility, but God would have to make that crystal clear to me.

Marriage is no joke.

As I've said here and elsewhere many, many times, it's supposed to be a natural reflection of the spiritual union between Christ and his church.

I think a lot of divorcees divorce because it gives the unfaithful one an opportunity to marry again without being a bigamist
That's definitely not why she divorced me.

Quite frankly, she has no regard for me whatsoever.

The only reason that we're amicable now, and the only reason why she stopped her relentless assaults against me, is that she and her boyfriend (?) literally committed a federal crime together that I know about. In other words, she backed off because she's afraid that I might turn them both in and have them arrested. That's all that I'm going to say about that.

couples that spend 2 or more years apart could agree to live separate lives yet still be married to each other, though thats kind of an expensive and disturbed lifestyle if you ask me...or the children. I mean the whole 'mum and dad cant be in the same room or within 10 metres of each other' is just ridiculous.
I never had a problem being in the same room with her.

That said, the following was definitely true in our marriage:

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house." (Proverbs 21:9, 25:24)

"It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman." (Proverbs 21:19)

Anyhow, I've given you very limited information here.

If you knew the full story, then everything would make perfect sense.
 
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but then again, if someone really is trying to kill you, you probably dont want to be near them, or eating with them ...being poisoned slowly is not a good way to die
I'm not sure if this was meant for me or not.

In either case, she never tried to literally kill me, although I wouldn't have put it past her when we were still together.

Instead, she slandered me relentlessly to family members on both sides, to the police, to a judge, to battered women agencies, to neighbors, to pastors, to whole congregations of church-goers, to our children's guidance counselors, to Oprah Winfrey (for real...I have a copy of the letter), to Barbara Corcoran and Daymond John from "The Shark Tank" (I have copies of those letters, too), to my work clients...you name it/them.

Basically, so this all makes a little more sense to you, my ex became a master manipulator. Her story was basically that I was an abusive husband and child abuser (nothing could be further from the truth...I actually had to defend myself in court against such charges, and I won by a landslide), and she sought to get monies from anybody who had it via her fake sob story. Sad to say, many people fell for it, and she procured a lot of money from them in the process (not that money was ever an issue in our marriage, btw).

Anyhow, she ultimately "hit it rich" with one of the guys from one of the many "sugar daddy" websites that she was on, and he lent her $200,000...as I mentioned in a previous response.

All of this honestly said, there were times, early on in our marriage, where God was truly working in and through us. Ultimately, she simply didn't want to deal with things which God was clearly showing her. There was also another major underlying issue which I didn't learn about (through a serious of events) until about 1 month after we were married.

Apparently, she was repeatedly sexually molested by her own father between the ages of 5 and 6 years old.

To my way of thinking, that's got to be one of the most traumatic experiences that a child could ever be subject to, and there was definitely some major psychological damage as a result of the same. I spent YEARS not only counseling her myself, but also taking her to counselors galore. Ultimately, she wound up loving her father and hating me.

Go figure.

Oh well, back to "virtual date night"...lol.
 

Gojira

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Well, this brief post certainly brought back a lot of memories.

Back in November of 2000, I boarded a bus from the Port Authority Terminal in NYC (I lived in New Jersey at that time) which was headed to Florida. One of my friends at that time who I used to preach on the streets of New York with (there was a group of us, and we mostly preached in the Bronx, but we did preach in Times Square in Manhattan a few times, too) had recently moved to Florida, and he was going through some trying times, and he asked me if I could visit him for some spiritual support. His birthday was in early November, so I planned my trip to coincide with his birthday.

Interesting thing, though...

Two young women that I knew from a Bible study that I used to teach in Allentown, PA boarded that same bus with me. One of them was engaged to a "prosperity preacher", and they were both headed to Florida themselves to meet up with a missionary couple there, and then they were all supposed to go on a missionary trip together. Apparently, however, the proverbial "fix was in".

Early on in our 26 hour bus trip (it made a lot of stops along the way), the Lord clearly spoke to me and told me that the woman who was engaged to another man at that time was going to be my wife. This caught me totally off-guard. Not only because she was a woman who was engaged and who I never really thought of as a potential spouse myself, but even more so because I was basically a sworn eunuch for the kingdom of God at that time. All that I ever thought about was serving the Lord (some things never change), and I fully wanted to wait on the Lord without distraction as Paul wrote of in his first epistle to the Corinthians. In fact, I think that it had been something like 15 years since I had last dated anyone (part of that might have been because I was in a slump...lol).

Anyhow, to make matters even more unusual, this engaged woman left me and her female friend alone almost as soon as the long bus ride began. In fact, she went to the long back seat of the bus, laid down across it, and put a blanket over her whole body, including her head. She remained in that position for the entirety of the bus ride, and only moved when our bus reached any of its periodical stops.

Her friend and I were wondering what all of that was about...and I later learned exactly what it was about. Apparently, almost as soon as we boarded the bus, the Lord spoke to her and told her that I was going to be her husband. Apparently, she wasn't too thrilled to hear that (Nobody loves me...everybody hates me...I think I'll eat some worms...lol), and she was praying her head off while thinking that demons were talking to her.

Well, there's A LOT more to that story, but she and I got engaged in Florida on November 17, 2000, and we got married exactly three months later on February 17, 2021 on the beach in Navarre, Florida. Our marriage lasted somewhere around 17 years (we have three children together), but she ultimately renounced Christ/Christianity, cheated on me repeatedly, and then divorced me. That said, I've never once questioned whether or not the Lord truly brought us together. In fact, he confirmed that he did to both of us on multiple occasions and in multiple ways. If I were ever to tell you some of the things which transpired along the way in those approximately 17 years, then I'd probably make believers out of some of you, if not most of you.

My point?

I don't know...do I need one?

lol.

Like I said, it just brought back a lot of memories.

I do miss the street preaching part, and we definitely saw some good fruit there (with TONS of opposition).

That said, if I were ever to preach on the streets again in the manner in which I used to preach...

Well, let's just say that I'd immediately have a prison ministry because I would be behind bars myself.

Nowadays, you can't say anything without it being an alleged "hate crime".

I'll close with this...

@tourist

I've only made it to page 5 on this thread so far, but I'm THRILLED to see that you've transitioned from Mountain Dew (one of the worst drinks imaginable) to lemonade (my personal favorite).

Did the Lord reveal this to you in a vision?

lol.
That was a lot of memories!
 

Gojira

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The city of Las Vegas has the saying that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. We just got married there but of course we didn't stay. We have been in Tennessee now since Nov 2020.
That would mean that your marriage was only good... in Vegas. What a crock of poop!
 
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That was a lot of memories!
Well, it was the beginning of an approximately 17 year stretch of my life which still has repercussions to this day.
 

Gojira

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Well, it was the beginning of an approximately 17 year stretch of my life which still has repercussions to this day.
Man... sorry she went wacko. I am at a loss with such people. According to many Christians I know, once saved always saved. Not getting this one. Unless... God's not done with her.
 
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Man... sorry she went wacko. I am at a loss with such people. According to many Christians I know, once saved always saved. Not getting this one. Unless... God's not done with her.
Not to change the topic, but "once saved, always saved" is a potentially damnable heresy. Jesus certainly never preached it...although many people here will wrongly claim that he did by butchering his actual words.

Anyhow, there are reasons why I think that she might have reached the point of no return.

I hope that I'm wrong, but I fear that I'm right.

I can tell you this much for sure...

God DEFINITELY joined the two of us together.

With as much as I've said here already, I've hardly said anything at all.

She had A LOT of problems (and still does), and, by the grace of God, I was able to genuinely help her with some of them.

Witchcraft ran in her family for GENERATIONS, and she was literally practicing (You know what they say: Practice makes perfect) to become a witch before she got saved.

I LITERALLY cast many demons out of her (and her mother) in Jesus' name while we were married.

Some of the manifestations were out of a horror movie.

Beyond that, she told me a couple of weeks after we were married (she didn't like to reveal anything about herself) that she had been diagnosed with some sort of uterine cancer while she was still in Panama. I only found out about it because she was in excruciating pain one day when she was with both me and her female friend who was staying with us at that time. We were both laying hands on her and praying for her, but nothing was initially happening except her pain was intensifying. We stopped praying for her healing momentarily, and prayed for God to give us wisdom as to what to actually pray for instead. She soon had a vision from the Lord in which she saw one of her relatives holding her up in the air as a newborn infant while dedicating her womb to Satan. Well, we quickly broke that curse in Jesus' name. When I laid hands upon her again to pray for her, a literal fountain of blood came pouring out of her. She ran into the bathroom, sat on the toilet (sorry to be so descriptive), and a tumor literally came out of her. About a half-hour later, she was running around outside and playing soccer with some children...GLORIOUSLY HEALED!

Jesus is Lord.

Of this, I'm sure.
 
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So, anybody interested in a virtual date with me?

You won't die of boredom.

That's for sure.

lol.

Sorry if I unintentionally derailed this thread.

At the same time, I'm not because, again, marriage is no joke.

In fact, it's oftentimes VERY MESSY.

Don't take my word for it.

Just read your Bibles and see God's marital relationship with his people and how messed up that's been over the years.

Life is about a lot more than cuddling on a couch together and watching a movie.

In fact, it's a very real, ever-raging spiritual war.
 

Gojira

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So, anybody interested in a virtual date with me?

You won't die of boredom.

That's for sure.

lol.

Sorry if I unintentionally derailed this thread.

At the same time, I'm not because, again, marriage is no joke.

In fact, it's oftentimes VERY MESSY.

Don't take my word for it.

Just read your Bibles and see God's marital relationship with his people and how messed up that's been over the years.

Life is about a lot more than cuddling on a couch together and watching a movie.

In fact, it's a very real, ever-raging spiritual war.
Heresy! Blasphemy! Just watch the Hallmark Channel's When Calls the Heart! That'll learn ya.
 
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Heresy! Blasphemy! Just watch the Hallmark Channel's When Calls the Heart! That'll learn ya.
I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

I've never seen that particular series, but, believe it or not (believe it), the very real spiritual war aside, I'm very much a romantic at heart.

With such being the case, I've watched many a romantic movie over the years (online...I got rid of my TV almost 34 years ago).

Anyhow, if it makes you feel any better (Misery loves company?), no women are the least bit interested in me.

It is what it is.

P.S.

I think that I'm a catch.

Then again, so are seaweed and an old Army boot...lol.

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