"2000 Mules" movie

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SomeDisciple

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Last week I watched the new documentary about potential corruption in the 2020 election, produced by Dinesh D'souza, called "2000 Mules"; I want to see what other people think about what they saw in the documentary, and also increase awareness about this documentary's existence.

Summary: Cell phone "geotracking" data, video surveillance, and eyewitness testimony, all suggest the possibility that a large amount of "mail-in" ballots were fraudulently procured for the 2020 election.

Here's what I think:

1) This whole topic of election fraud is something that has to be approached with the highest objectivity. We have to account for our own biases when we watch something like this, and the biases of the producers of the documentary as well. Dinesh D'souza is obviously politically partisan; however, I think the organization that worked with Dinesh is less partisan, considering they have busted Republicans for election fraud before. The fact that "True the Vote" organization has done these kinds of investigations before and have had very meaningful results is compelling to me.

2) It's true that we "don't know" what votes were on the Mule-in ballots; but that doesn't matter. Regardless of who they were for, it still demonstrates that the election wasn't the bestest, most-safest, most-secure, incorruptible, decisive, pure and righteous election in the history of America and all of the universe; as the media would have us believe. It's an obvious national security issue that needs to be thoroughly investigated.

3) I think the evidence for the operation of "mules" during the 2020 election was extremely compelling:

- I know that there is a margin for error with geotracking technology... yet, it is often very accurate. No technology is perfect, but we can still look at the data, and consider the evidence for what it is.
- This geotracking data did not come from "Mailmen". I'm pretty sure there is no route for a single mail-carrier that crosses multiple counties and zip codes. And it's very unlikely that a single city route would pass 10 or more ballot-boxes ( 5? Maybe.) AND DEFINITELY NOT AT 4 IN THE MORNING. It might be possible that some of the signals were employees of parcel delivery services; but it's clear from video footage that at least some of these signals were not from the UPS-man or the Fed-Ex man. They supposedly have the identities of these people that participated in this. If they have the identities of these people, it should be relatively easy to determine who has legitimate business in "logistics" and take that into consideration.

4) I could definitely see "non-profits" participating in this scam. Non-profits like Planned parenthood depend on liberal government to stay in operation. It's not just them, though- there are churches that aren't afraid to cross lines they aren't supposed to cross. I could even see some doing this out of fear of their religious liberties being threatened, or something like that. People that participate in non-profits tend to BELIEVE in their causes very strongly- and sometimes that means they are willing to compromise their personal integrity for that cause. I don't say that in a judgmental way, that's just the way it is.

5) I wish the movie was presented with more hard evidence- the specific non-profits went completely unidentified... that's the big one. I don't know why they didn't identify the non-profits suspected of participating in this. The movie should have went farther than "we have some geotracking, and this is what it looks like". The evidence is good... but the movie adds a lot of FLUFF, where more presentation of evidence would have been better.

TLDR: Movie was compelling, but leaves me wanting more information. There needs to be further investigation.
 

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- I know that there is a margin for error with geotracking technology... yet, it is often very accurate. No technology is perfect, but we can still look at the data, and consider the evidence for what it is.
In some ways the margin of error on the negative side was covered since they only used data from 10 drops and above. Apparently there was a significant number below 10, but they had to do a cut off at some point.
 

ZNP

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In some ways the margin of error on the negative side was covered since they only used data from 10 drops and above. Apparently there was a significant number below 10, but they had to do a cut off at some point.
They laid out the way in which this can be investigated. All 2,000 mules they tracked by geotracking can be questioned by authorities. As they pointed out most of these people have criminal records or are in dire financial straits. I suspect they will be very easy to flip.

The geotracking also tells them which non profits were involved and they even have whistleblowers who worked in those non profits. Again, I suspect there will be many at the Non Profits who will be easy to flip, especially with 2,000 mules already acting as witnesses, and geotracking backing their claim that they got the ballots from these people who can alll be easily confirmed to have been working there at that time.

The whole house of cards is falling down.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Last week I watched the new documentary about potential corruption in the 2020 election, produced by Dinesh D'souza, called "2000 Mules"; I want to see what other people think about what they saw in the documentary, and also increase awareness about this documentary's existence.

Summary: Cell phone "geotracking" data, video surveillance, and eyewitness testimony, all suggest the possibility that a large amount of "mail-in" ballots were fraudulently procured for the 2020 election.

Here's what I think:

1) This whole topic of election fraud is something that has to be approached with the highest objectivity. We have to account for our own biases when we watch something like this, and the biases of the producers of the documentary as well. Dinesh D'souza is obviously politically partisan; however, I think the organization that worked with Dinesh is less partisan, considering they have busted Republicans for election fraud before. The fact that "True the Vote" organization has done these kinds of investigations before and have had very meaningful results is compelling to me.

2) It's true that we "don't know" what votes were on the Mule-in ballots; but that doesn't matter. Regardless of who they were for, it still demonstrates that the election wasn't the bestest, most-safest, most-secure, incorruptible, decisive, pure and righteous election in the history of America and all of the universe; as the media would have us believe. It's an obvious national security issue that needs to be thoroughly investigated.

3) I think the evidence for the operation of "mules" during the 2020 election was extremely compelling:

- I know that there is a margin for error with geotracking technology... yet, it is often very accurate. No technology is perfect, but we can still look at the data, and consider the evidence for what it is.
- This geotracking data did not come from "Mailmen". I'm pretty sure there is no route for a single mail-carrier that crosses multiple counties and zip codes. And it's very unlikely that a single city route would pass 10 or more ballot-boxes ( 5? Maybe.) AND DEFINITELY NOT AT 4 IN THE MORNING. It might be possible that some of the signals were employees of parcel delivery services; but it's clear from video footage that at least some of these signals were not from the UPS-man or the Fed-Ex man. They supposedly have the identities of these people that participated in this. If they have the identities of these people, it should be relatively easy to determine who has legitimate business in "logistics" and take that into consideration.

4) I could definitely see "non-profits" participating in this scam. Non-profits like Planned parenthood depend on liberal government to stay in operation. It's not just them, though- there are churches that aren't afraid to cross lines they aren't supposed to cross. I could even see some doing this out of fear of their religious liberties being threatened, or something like that. People that participate in non-profits tend to BELIEVE in their causes very strongly- and sometimes that means they are willing to compromise their personal integrity for that cause. I don't say that in a judgmental way, that's just the way it is.

5) I wish the movie was presented with more hard evidence- the specific non-profits went completely unidentified... that's the big one. I don't know why they didn't identify the non-profits suspected of participating in this. The movie should have went farther than "we have some geotracking, and this is what it looks like". The evidence is good... but the movie adds a lot of FLUFF, where more presentation of evidence would have been better.

TLDR: Movie was compelling, but leaves me wanting more information. There needs to be further investigation.
Shapiro had a similar statement:

Shapiro argued more than cell phone data is needed to prove that “mules” were passing on fraudulent ballots in favor of Biden. He admitted his opinion might make “nobody happy,” considering his conservative audience.

“I think the data is really interesting. I think that it’s really suspicious for sure. I think that it is dispositive that this alone shifted the election … or that the election was stolen in the sense that actual fraudulent ballots made the difference between victory and loss for Donald Trump in these states. I think the conclusions of the film are not justified by the premises of the film itself. There are a bunch of dots that need to be connected. Maybe they will be connected, but they haven’t been connected in the film.”​

To me enough evidence has already been found within the outline of Attorney General Ken Paxton's lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the United States Supreme Court. The four states exploited the COVID-19 pandemic to justify ignoring federal and state election laws and unlawfully enacting last-minute changes, thus skewing the results of the 2020 General Election.

This evidence alone needs no investigating because we saw it I real time. This alone at most justified the need of the Election Day to be redone.

But yes absolutely should everything else keep being investigated because the house with smoke in air may be a legitimate fire or just a guy smoking around the corner.
 

SomeDisciple

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Shapiro had a similar statement:

Shapiro argued more than cell phone data is needed to prove that “mules” were passing on fraudulent ballots in favor of Biden. He admitted his opinion might make “nobody happy,” considering his conservative audience.

“I think the data is really interesting. I think that it’s really suspicious for sure. I think that it is dispositive that this alone shifted the election … or that the election was stolen in the sense that actual fraudulent ballots made the difference between victory and loss for Donald Trump in these states. I think the conclusions of the film are not justified by the premises of the film itself. There are a bunch of dots that need to be connected. Maybe they will be connected, but they haven’t been connected in the film.”​

To me enough evidence has already been found within the outline of Attorney General Ken Paxton's lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the United States Supreme Court. The four states exploited the COVID-19 pandemic to justify ignoring federal and state election laws and unlawfully enacting last-minute changes, thus skewing the results of the 2020 General Election.

This evidence alone needs no investigating because we saw it I real time. This alone at most justified the need of the Election Day to be redone.

But yes absolutely should everything else keep being investigated because the house with smoke in air may be a legitimate fire or just a guy smoking around the corner.
What blows my mind is.... if the changes were unconstitutional why did it ever slide? If we used illegal proceedures to put in a new president; then not only did our democracy fail, but we LET IT fail, because we did nothing about it, besides saying "oh well, maybe we'll get it right next time around". Yeah... no, that's not okay. Not at all. They need to fix it NOW, not next year or next month, it needs to be fixed 2 years ago.
 

Roughsoul1991

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What blows my mind is.... if the changes were unconstitutional why did it ever slide? If we used illegal proceedures to put in a new president; then not only did our democracy fail, but we LET IT fail, because we did nothing about it, besides saying "oh well, maybe we'll get it right next time around". Yeah... no, that's not okay. Not at all. They need to fix it NOW, not next year or next month, it needs to be fixed 2 years ago.
Agree absolutely. It is called national apathy. Not that everyone just doesn't care but no one knows where to begin or what to do and how to achieve it.

Some want one political party to forcefully overthrow the other and to outlaw their manifesto.

Others hope those that are voted in will eventually secure these issues.

Others have given up.
 

SomeDisciple

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/even-geolocation-maps-2000-mules-are-misleading/

I have to admit that I was wondering how much of 2000 Mules was movie magic. With a documentary like this, I really wish they didn't do any at all, and simply posted transparent data.

I don't hold the Washington Post (who should really change their name... Washington was a slave owner, y'know, tsk tsk.) in the highest regard. But they and every organization that cross checks the movie's claims does well in doing so- if they don't lie. You have to fact-check, the fact-checking, fact-checkers of those who check facts.

That's a shame if True the Vote didn't use their actual data for the movie. Why, then would they use "props' when they have the real deal??? Is there a reason they didn't want, or couldn't show, the actual data in the film?

And what's the deal with them using a photo of Moscow to represent an American city? Is this an easter-egg? Are the communicating intelligence? Or are they just having fun with the Left-wing conspiracy theorists?
 

ZNP

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I don't hold the Washington Post (who should really change their name... Washington was a slave owner, y'know, tsk tsk.)
The Washington Post has a mission to clean up all the dirty laundry in the Capitol, since we have a ton of dirty laundry the name is appropriate.
 

SomeDisciple

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Despite my skepticism, I have to admit that Dinesh makes some good points about how the fact that this is a movie... and realistically there are some limitations as far as what a movie can do to meet our expectations with respect to giving us the PROOF we want.
 

ZNP

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Despite my skepticism, I have to admit that Dinesh makes some good points about how the fact that this is a movie... and realistically there are some limitations as far as what a movie can do to meet our expectations with respect to giving us the PROOF we want.
The movie is not a criminal trial. It simply needs to convince enough people that we need a criminal trial.
 
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The question does remain how Biden could possibly have had more votes than any other candidate in US history :unsure:
 

SomeDisciple

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There are a lot of claims circulating in the media that "ballot trafficking" isn't a thing because "it's not illegal" for voters to have someone deliver their ballot for them. While it is partially true... it's only partially true. The laws vary from state to state, of course and in some states it is fine for family members/caretakers to deliver a vote. And in other cases, it can be a person chosen by the voter. Other states have no restrictions (that's brilliant)

Ballotpedia has this map that tracks the laws from state to state. If nothing else, you can see how much your state really cares about election security.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_laws_by_state

Regardless of these state laws- what we see in the movie is not something you'd expect to be okay- it doesn't look to me like communities got together and were like "yeah, lets all have this guy deliver our ballots".... that didn't happen.
 

SomeDisciple

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/monke...ify-2000-mules-claims-in-georgia_4480744.html
There is a new global outbreak of monkeypox, and the Biden administration is already purchasing millions of doses of recently-approved vaccines as the World Health Organization (WHO) weighs its response. A series of incidents positioned the WHO to be poised for a monkeypox outbreak, and with new powers potentially being granted to the WHO to manage global health policy, this monkeypox crisis could give the U.N. agency a serious boost to its powers.
Meanwhile, dozens of news outlets have been falsifying the narrative around Dinesh D’Souza’s documentary “2000 Mules.” The outlets have been declaring that officials with the Georgia State Elections Board debunked claims of election fraud made in “2000 Mules,” and yet while officials did challenge some fraud claims, those claims were unrelated to the documentary.

If they didn't feel threatened by 2000 Mules, I don't think they would bother to make up lies about it and try and confuse people.
 

SomeDisciple

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I don't know if Dinesh COMPLETELY made up the story about 2000 Mules' having anything to do with the Yuma County investigation- but regardless if he made it up or not- the liberal media covering his statements AT ALL doesn't work in their favor when it reminds people that there has been an active ballot fraud investigation open since 2020- and their narrative that there was "no evidence of widespread election fraud" is a lie. They have to move the goal post and say evidence "isn't proof' and then go back to saying there is no evidence.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/sheri...s-movie-sparked-election-fraud-investigation/
 

SomeDisciple

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Dinesh took down his old video, but he put up a new one. There's one topic that I don't believe he nails very well. "Ballot trafficking" is illegal in Wisconsin, that's getting paid to move a ballot. But at least according to Ballotpedia their law does not specify who can deliver a ballot without getting paid. Now obviously we recognize these guys were getting paid, but not everyone will concede that.

 

ZNP

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Dinesh took down his old video, but he put up a new one. There's one topic that I don't believe he nails very well. "Ballot trafficking" is illegal in Wisconsin, that's getting paid to move a ballot. But at least according to Ballotpedia their law does not specify who can deliver a ballot without getting paid. Now obviously we recognize these guys were getting paid, but not everyone will concede that.

Doesn't matter that "not everyone will concede that". If you get three mules to flip, then you have plenty of evidence to get the people at the Non Profit convicted or flip. If they flip then they can testify concerning every mule they recognize as getting paid.

Now with 3 mules and 1 non profit worker testifying and their testimony is confirmed with geo-tracking and video evidence you will get 10 more to flip. Go ahead, you have 13 mules testifying, 1 non profit worker testifying, geo tracking evidence, video evidence, and we can see this person visiting the non profit repeatedly, the worker says they paid them, and they want to claim they weren't paid?

Not only so but according to Dinesh most of these mules have criminal records. Once you have a criminal record no court would take your word over that mountain of evidence.

Also please explain to me why they were taking pictures on their phone? If you have plenty of evidence to convict you can subpoena their phones. So then I suspect out of 2,000, 1800 would cut a deal.
 

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I think the evidence for the operation of "mules" during the 2020 election was extremely compelling:
And that is what really matters. No legitimate election should have accepted this. And the evidence was there almost immediately. Yet absolutely no action has been taken by those who should be dealing with massive nationwide fraud. There is a fraudulent president in the WH, and he is maliciously destroying America and its laws.
 

ZNP

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And that is what really matters. No legitimate election should have accepted this. And the evidence was there almost immediately. Yet absolutely no action has been taken by those who should be dealing with massive nationwide fraud. There is a fraudulent president in the WH, and he is maliciously destroying America and its laws.
That is very revealing. It shows that those in power knew that the system was rigged which is how they got into power. They are afraid if you start digging who knows how deep it goes. It is becoming obvious at this point that refusing to investigate is the same thing as being part of the conspiracy to defraud.