These Two Verses Has Always Bothered Me.

Matthew 6:14-15

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

I think we all know that it is hard to forgive bad things that people do to you. I really try to get over those things, but I don't think I ever completely get over some of those things. Maybe I have lost my salvation.

I doubt you have lost your salvation. More likely, your conscience is pricked because you haven't properly forgiven those who hurt you, and are sensing the Holy Spirit nudging you to deal with it.

No you will not lose your salvation, but you could lose your rewards as well as other benefits. Since you cannot fix the past, you should simply put it behind you, and forgive all wrongs done to you. And God tells us how this works. Since He forgives us totally when we confess and repent, we in turn can forgive others totally (whether or not they confess and repent).

Dear friend, you have not lost your salvation, we are like babes and are making baby steps. We must persevere and practice. Forgiveness is easier if you know that, when you forgive, it pleases our father in Heaven and that it is the right thing to do if GOD asks us to forgive. Also we are not perfect and do sometimes offend others willingly or not it is why we must forgive. It is all about love and doing GOD's will.

Blessings,

JF

Back in 1998 was when I first started seeking God. I started reading my Bible learning how to pray and fast. I was really trying to find help and hoping I could get help. I had gotten to where I believed but still something was missing. I came upon that verse about needing to forgive before I could be forgiven and I was stunned. I had not spoken to my brother for years. I had held a grudge against him because of the kind of person he was and didn't want anything to do with him. I finally decided it wasn't worth it and I really felt I needed to be forgiven because I had seriously don't some bad things in my life. I remember saying in my prayer that I forgave my brother and I meant it. That was when I recieved the holy ghost. It was Aug 31,1998 and a day I could never forget. It was on a Monday near noon.

Ive never regreted burying the hatchet and I can't see myself not forgiving anyone for thier mistakes again.

I see it like you and your brother punch each other in the face and your Dad sees it. He knows that you both need to forgive. So He gives you the option...you forgive your brother and you're not grounded. You don't forgive your brother and you're grounded until you do.
Verse?
"…33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed. 35That is how My heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”…" Matthew 18:33-35
In my understanding, unforgiveness can cause one to be tormented by demons. Forgiveness is a big part of deliverance ministry.

The most important thing is that you want to forgive and you tried; I think that counts as forgiveness. You forgive the person, but that doesn't mean you accept the other person's bad behavior (past, present or future). What you may be going through is that you don't accept the sin committed (and I don't believe you ever should despite forgiving); sometimes it is hard to separate the person from the sin.

“And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us”; this request to the Father is a two edged sword. We ask for God’s mercy and forgiveness, but only if we are merciful and forgiving to others.

Immediately after teaching the apostles ‘The Lord’s Prayer’ Jesus told them, “If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.“

Understand something about the nature of forgiveness. When we truly forgive others for the wrongs they have done to us, we’re not doing them any favors, but ourselves. When we forgive, we take away the chains of the stings, resentments, and the bitterness of the wrongs they have done to us. Our forgiveness frees us from things that make us miserable.

Forgiving our enemies does not mean having to be pals with them or even seeing them again. What it does mean is letting go of hatred and grudges. In your heart, wish your enemies well, say a prayer for them, and move on with your life.

We do find it hard to forgive others when they sin against us. Yet, how many times do we sin against God and hope for His forgiveness? He expects the same from us in our dealings with our brothers and sisters who do us wrong.

Like, if your spouse commits adultery, you can still continue to think adultery is evil, wrong, etc. I can see how the "innocent" spouse continues to associate the other spouse with something evil. However, it is important to forgive (not commenting here on whether to stay in the marriage) and separate the person from the sin.

We are to always forgive others, however we would be a bunch of dolts were we to forget what others have done to us.
If you wish comfort on this, all who believe pray for their enemies, or at b esst do not wish they burn in hell for what they have done to us.
This by no means is to say we pray for what they do to others if it is sinful.Pray for their souls, and steer cleaar of them.
Out Father will deal wit all of us as we act, however those who have not turned to our Savior are to be pitited, anddf loved.
God bless you always, and keep up the good works.

Matthew 6:14,15 says to forgive to be forgiven, Luke 17:4 says forgive only when someone repents which means the forgiveness we give others is conditional.

Luke 17:4
4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

So it seems forgiveness is only required to be given to people who have repented. I don’t see where God is going to judge someone for not forgiving an unrepentant person because God also doesn’t forgive unrepentant people.

I wouldn’t worry too much about all of the people you may have not forgiven. If they didn’t humble themselves before you and express any remorse or desire to change then you don’t have any responsibility to forgive them.

Well, at the very least you came up with a different way to once again have the debate about OSAS......... sigh .......

I'm sure if this Thread goes long enough, there will be folks who find a way to discount/dillute what Jesus made quite clear.......hang in there........

Yeah.........sad that there are folks here that do not apply this standard to those forgiven of their sins by Jesus....... I mean, His very first Sermon was...

REPENT!

If you want to get over them and you continue to ask His help you haven't lost your salvation.

what you need to understand are two things :0

1. what is forgiveness.
and
2. what is not forgiveness.

what is not forgiveness?

What is not forgiveness:

• is not compromise
• is not excusing what was done to you
• it is not saying it is ok to do it again

What is Forgiveness :

• It is freeing you from the control of the thing that was done to you, so you can move on with your life.
• It is faith that God will repay and you do not need to see or be there when it happens but knowing HE will take care of it
• it is having the nature of Christ and power over hate which is also unforgiveness
• Forgiveness will not make you sick, controlled, or obsessed with wrongs done to you.

many people live their life today in unforgiveness. it is state of being. Because of that, they have trust issues, carry baggage into the next relationship, or make the new person pay for what someone else did.

Unforgiveness only hurts you and makes you miserable. The person(s) you will not let go of who did you wrong have no idea how much you have not forgiven them, and most likely would not even give a dam .

Forgiveness is more for you than the other person.

Forgiveness is a determination of your will. If we make it all about emotion, the way we feel, we may begin to doubt we can forgive. Forgiving deep hurts, betrayal, whatever, has to be a decision for the process to begin. So many Christians have a problem believing that all their sins are forgiven by God through Christ and so they try to 'be good' which is not what God desires or asks for.

I once read something that goes like this: Forgiveness is something you do for yourself. You forgive the person and let them off your 'hook' and leave them for God to deal with. Revenge is not for us although I can certainly understand why a person might want to get even at times. Praying for the person is a positive way to forgive as well.

I have had some very deep things to forgive and I have forgiven, but I would not be truthful if I said that sometimes the old feelings creep up and I get angry or hurt or both. I cannot change the past or what happened, but I can forgive in Jesus' name and go on, knowing that God is aware of everything in my life and all that has happened.

So, if you are doubting your salvation, remember that it is not your actions that save you, or your thoughts or your feelings. It is the sacrifice of Jesus, on our behalf and our faith in Him that God requires for believers. Continue to agree with scripture and state your forgiveness of the offence(s) against you and that is what God asks of us. Our feelings need time to catch up with the fact that forgiveness is something we extend just as God has forgiven us through Christ.

You haven't lost your salvation. You're human and some memories are hard to get past and take time and prayer. But the Bible also tells us to mark those that cause dissension and stay away from them. So you can forgive a person without having to make them your best friend. Some people will keep hurting you if you don't pull away from them and there is nothing wrong with that. If you have done all you can to settle an issue, then leave the rest with the Lord.

Not sure this is the right rendering here.

If we are following Christ's model, then we should forgive like He did. He forgave us while we were YET sinners, He asked His Father to even forgive those who murdered Him.

He tells us to love our enemies.

Yes, there are always consequences to those that sin against us, but I don't think forgiving them before they ask for it is one.

Seeking-Christ

My View
This scripture you quote here is to do with prayer see below ------

Jesus is teaching His Disciples here on how to pray and get answered prayer ---unforgiveness block your prayer -----and that stands today for born again people ----
so if you want your prayers to be successful then you need to Forgive others who sin against you -----

You forgive others their sins because Jesus first forgave your sins when you received Him into your heart -----out of the heart the mouth speaks ----so you need to check where your heart lies ----

Forgiveness is for you not for the other person ----think of it this way ----the person who did you wrong was influenced by Satan ----you represent Christ who lives in you and you are to walk His way --not the way of the world -----unforgiveness is of this world ----

Matthew 6
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

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Forgiving others comes easy when you Agape God with all your heart --soul---mind and strength ----which is the first Command ----Grace who is Jesus enables your Forgiveness ----God said to Paul --My Grace is sufficient ---in your weakness God's Grace abounds -----

Once bitten, twice shy.

If a snake bites you, your first reaction may be to have hate and fear for the snake. We don't need to hold onto that feeling. Instead we can simply respect the snake's power to inflict damage. And likewise with sinners, we can respect their ability to cause damage without holding onto that negative emotion. We can let go of that burden of holding unforgiveness. It's like holding a hot coal with the intention of throwing it as someone: we're the ones that are burned by it.