Pre-Destination, God's Foreknowledge and Choice

I really do wish to discuss how we view the topics outlined in the title. It seems that most threads here that are started with intent to discuss these themes, are done so with a view to showing preference for a Calvinistic/Reformed approach which makes it difficult to express another view.

I am not Calvinist and I am not Armenian either. For the sake of understanding what either of those are about, here is a simple explanation:


Calvinism centers around the supreme sovereignty of God, predestination, the total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.

Arminianism on the other hand emphasizes conditional election based on God’s foreknowledge, man’s free will to cooperate with God in salvation, Christ’s universal atonement, resistible grace, and salvation that can potentially be lost. source

Since I say I am neither, the question then is what do I believe? My best answer would be somewhere in between I guess, although I was once persuaded to be Calvinistic by the church I grew up in. I don't think either belief is salvic, that is neither depends on whether or not you are saved, but a person will definitely view things according to what they accept as doctrine. That, just might impact your entire life!

I'm not a moderator and I don't intend to moderate the comments of anyone responding. BUT that does not cover twisting of what is said or ignoring what is said. In other words, let's all adult here and be fair in our responses and accurate.

You are using a wrong view of the biblical teaching of Foreknowledge to start with.....it makes this D.O.A.

What view is that? Since you are a Calvinist, geez louise what else would you say. Since this thread was buried and ignored, you had to look my posts up to find it and you did that because of the way I responded to you in another active thread wherein I made it plain I don't agree with Calvinism.

So transparent

I'm not going to take someone trying to force Calvinism when the thread indicates a DISCUSSION. You are not offering discussion. Your single sentence response offers a nothing but your overbearing opinion.

You earlier suggested you had much to say....Iam looking up some of the threads now as I said I would.
Truth delights to be investigated. I am starting to list false ideas posted so discussion can happen.
Biblical foreknowledge is used of persons, not events as if someone looks forward in a time tunnel.

Discussion?

Discussion yes...If a JW shows up denying the trinity, you ask why he has come to that conclusion correct? Discussion takes place unless he is a closed minded troll.

I have no idea what you are on about now with those comments and I think the time has come to bid you adieu...aka ignore

Since I say I am neither, the question then is what do I believe? My best answer would be somewhere in between I guess, although I was once persuaded to be Calvinistic by the church I grew up in. I don't think either belief is salvic, that is neither depends on whether or not you are saved, but a person will definitely view things according to what they accept as doctrine. That, just might impact your entire life!

Not sure why you believe one need not be "saved" to be a part of Gods "elect?"

Pretty sure salvation is required to become an "heir to the promise."

I really do wish to discuss how we view the topics outlined in the title. It seems that most threads here that are started with intent to discuss these themes, are done so with a view to showing preference for a Calvinistic/Reformed approach which makes it difficult to express another view.

I am not Calvinist and I am not Armenian either. For the sake of understanding what either of those are about, here is a simple explanation:


Calvinism centers around the supreme sovereignty of God, predestination, the total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.

Arminianism on the other hand emphasizes conditional election based on God’s foreknowledge, man’s free will to cooperate with God in salvation, Christ’s universal atonement, resistible grace, and salvation that can potentially be lost. source

Since I say I am neither, the question then is what do I believe? My best answer would be somewhere in between I guess, although I was once persuaded to be Calvinistic by the church I grew up in. I don't think either belief is salvic, that is neither depends on whether or not you are saved, but a person will definitely view things according to what they accept as doctrine. That, just might impact your entire life!

I'm not a moderator and I don't intend to moderate the comments of anyone responding. BUT that does not cover twisting of what is said or ignoring what is said. In other words, let's all adult here and be fair in our responses and accurate.

Calvinism centers around the supreme sovereignty of God, predestination, the total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.

Calvinism centers around the supreme sovereignty of God, predestination, the total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.

Arminianism on the other hand emphasizes conditional election based on God’s foreknowledge, man’s free will to cooperate with God in salvation, Christ’s universal atonement, resistible grace, and salvation that can potentially be lost.

I really do wish to discuss how we view the topics outlined in the title. It seems that most threads here that are started with intent to discuss these themes, are done so with a view to showing preference for a Calvinistic/Reformed approach which makes it difficult to express another view.

I am not Calvinist and I am not Armenian either. For the sake of understanding what either of those are about, here is a simple explanation:


Calvinism centers around the supreme sovereignty of God, predestination, the total depravity of man, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of saints.

Arminianism on the other hand emphasizes conditional election based on God’s foreknowledge, man’s free will to cooperate with God in salvation, Christ’s universal atonement, resistible grace, and salvation that can potentially be lost. source

Since I say I am neither, the question then is what do I believe? My best answer would be somewhere in between I guess, although I was once persuaded to be Calvinistic by the church I grew up in. I don't think either belief is salvic, that is neither depends on whether or not you are saved, but a person will definitely view things according to what they accept as doctrine. That, just might impact your entire life!

I'm not a moderator and I don't intend to moderate the comments of anyone responding. BUT that does not cover twisting of what is said or ignoring what is said. In other words, let's all adult here and be fair in our responses and accurate.

Also.. the system of churches Jesus established is pre set for a believer to join.. and the church also has a pre set destination in end times as the bride.

Free will to receive Christ.. but not to reject and 'leave' God after salvation.

SALVATION DOES NOT NEGATE FREE WILL

I am curious about the meaning of Calvin's "limited atonement".