Will There Be Sex in Heaven?

Also who said it was a good thing? It seems to cause a lot of drama.

It has a practical effect, and reinforcement to practice it is caused by stimulating the brain's pleasure center, but pleasure doesn't make it a good thing. Lots of drugs cause pleasure too.


Also, why doesn't everything just get watered with dew like it used to? Why do we have to have this rain stuff? It's much less efficient and it requires channels to run back into the sea. Don't get me started on how much trouble it is to pipe it into fields.

Also why did God shorten our lifespans? Long life is better than short, right? Why does God not allow us to live for centuries like the first humans?

Those all seem like good things to us, yet God took them away... FOR GOOD REASONS.

Wow... Can you imagine if there was a group of sullen incels in Heaven?

Ya know, I'm surprised you didn't ask this question, woman-with-a-city-named-after-her. I saw one of your earlier threads on masturbation. You tend to go for the jugular with your topics!

Y'mean she missed one?

Impossible. It's just not conceivable that she missed an uncomfortable question. Nope, can't believe it.

Maybe she asked it years ago, before either of us was on the forum.

We ultimately don't know, unless someone goes after God about it. When I look at the Bible and look at my life, I'm inclined to believe that there aren't many mysteries God is unwilling to reveal. The one I'm sure He won't tell anyone (and I'm still not 100% sure) is the exact time of Jesus's return. Basically every other mystery is there for the revealing.

However, not everything God reveals to one person is supposed to be published to everyone else. Psalm 107:3 says, "He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel" (KJV) or "He revealed his character to Moses and his deeds to the people of Israel" (NLT). Someone wrote about this:

"What we see is that God made His ways known to and revealed His character to Moses. In other words, Moses got to actually know God Himself. On the other hand, the people of Israel only saw His acts and deeds- what He did. Israel saw His works, but Moses saw God." (https://www.jimandjanean.com/home/2019/6/2/his-ways-or-his-acts?format=amp)

Most christians, like most Israelis in Moses's time, are content to only know God's acts (ie. to be blessed, experience benefits from God, etc.) and don't want to get any closer to Him. People who want to know God's character, nature, or "ways" go after God for more. When He reveals things to them, some of those things are meant to be shared, but some are not.

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven... He was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" (2Corinthians 12:2‭, ‬4).

I believe God would be more than happy to reveal this mystery about sex in eternity. Afterall, when God hides things-- like Himself or things in the Bible and in Jesus's parables-- His intention is to reveal them. God is intelligent enough to make it so that the things He's unwilling to reveal never even make it into our consciousness (ie. we never even discover their existence). If there are colors, smells, animals in Heaven that we don't know exist, then we can't ask about them. But all the things that exist on earth (or the things we know about), we're allowed and encouraged to ask about and receive answers. If this wasn't true, then only christians would invent, discover, and solve issues. But God reveals earthly things to all people, not just christians. Therefore, He's willing to reveal even more things-- spiritual and secular-- to believers.

My answer is "I don't know" as well. But it's not my final answer. One day if I get time, I'll ask God about it. What He tells me might be for sharing and it might not be. Or maybe someone He's already revealed it to me will tell me about it (and if it's true, the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it and my spirit will also agree). We'll see.

The Fall in Eden and the resulting Curse took all those things away that you mentioned, not God. The Fall and the Curse took away countless things including the peace between men and women and the ability for them to understand each other.

I know some christians like to quote Job about God giving and taking away. (We even have the worship song that says over and over, "He gives and takes away!") But Job was wrong in they point and in several other. God gives and never takes away.

You should be busy studying to show yourself approved rather than approving the things you already managed to believe. Or you can write this down for homework and pursue it till you find it: what is there in the Bible or in the history of Have and earth and mankind a.) that is good, b.) that God gave, and c.) that God took away?

If Jesus contrasts Himself to the thief and begins, "The thief comes to steal" but says that He Himself came to give "life and that more abundantly", then He can't be taking and the thief can't be giving. The entire notion that God takes away has its inception in the same self-righteous, anti-Christ culprit that killed Jesus: the religious spirit.

Some doctrines (like God taking away good things) have a form of godliness but no power (ie. they're useless and don't accomplish any good for anyone whatsoever). Dr. David Jeremiah, probably exhausted from a life devoid of Life itself, decided to write a book claiming that angels can't and don't sing because the Bible supposedly never shows them singing. When christians aren't walking after God, they inevitably get bored and walk after error in the same way that when a heterosexual male isn't chasing (following, pursuing, submitting to) God, he'll inevitably be chasing pleasure (always firstly in the form of women). The story of David and Bathsheba is one of many examples of this.

Better look into that homework. Surely in the span of at least six millenia, the entire Bible, and the experiences of billions of human beings past and present you can find just one instance in which God gave a good thing and then took that good thing away.

Anybody this condescending is somebody I cannot trust. Anybody this arrogant is somebody I cannot... Shoot, you even presume to have more wisdom than Job.

And I already did that homework. I provided three examples. God put them out of Eden. They didn't burn it down. God created rain. God shortened man's lifespan. God actively did all these.

Perfect. Then there's no reason to further discuss anything. You're free to not comment on my posts.

Meanwhile, return to that homework and do not leave your desk (nor type in your keyboard) until you have a Eureka moment. A man who was tasked with uncovering something that was hidden at the time sat down in a bath but then suddenly sat up and exclaimed, "Eureka!" which is Greek for "I've found it!" Do not move away from desk (or tub) until you cry out that Greek word. Lol. Tell me what you find when you've found it. In the meantime, go away. I sense nothing but dead men's bones in you.

Yeah but where's the fun in that?

And if I don't move from this desk for long enough, it will be "I-reek-a!" and then I MUST go to the tub. I hate it when I have the urge to be upwind of myself.

Perhaps the more pertinent question is not will there be sex in heaven (or the afterlife since that's really what we're talking about rather than a physical place), but what difference does it make if there is or isn't? Is anyone going to opt out of heaven if there is no sex? Are those of us who are going to spend eternity with Christ idolizing sex so much that we'd violate his commands to have it one more time if we were about to die? Ultimately I don't think the answer to the question changes anything about how I'm going to conduct my life... so it can be a fun bit of speculation, but there are so many more important matters to expend my time and energy on.

Somebody just asked me if it would be fair to consider you a gnostic. "I mean he keeps claiming all this special knowledge from God..."

It got me thinking that maybe this IS how some gnostics get started. They want to be elitist, but they get so tired of scrambling to shore up their superiority over and over that finally they just claim insider information with God and stick with that as an unassailable defense forever after.

I went to Lutheran schools.

As I posted earlier, no one argues more for the possibility of sex, ANY possibility of sex, than a group of hormone-laden teenagers. Especially when they are told no at every turn.

I don't think I ever asked it here because my school experience made it seem like such a been there, bought the T-shirt kind of topic.

My job is to find all the questions I hear talked about but no one cares bring them up, because they will be deemed unfit for Christian conversation.

And yet millions of Christians are suffering in silence, because of the very fact that the very mention of their issue is shot down.

I'm the mole that keeps popping up long after it's been whacked. 😁

This forum is open to questions, so questions should be asked. There's nothing wrong with asking if there's going to be sex in eternity. I mean, look at the Songs of Solomon. Who did the guy with more wives and concubines than anyone else in history (as far as we know) be given the privilege of writing the only book in the Bible about romantic love, natural lust, and sex? There's another question.

As for more important matters, believe me I have a lot of those that I want to discuss on this forum. And I mean a lot. When I talk to conservatives (or evangelical christians), they think I'm liberal (or charismatic). And vice versa. This is because each side is far on one end of the spectrum and I try to balance things by swinging to the other end when talking to them. Balance is important. There's a time for everything: a time for work and a time for play, a time to be objective and a time to be subjective, etc. I believe equally in both ends of a spectrum from the middle point of balance.

Most of the things I have to talk about are deeper than most people are able or willing to go (some people who don't understand what I'm saying will attack what I'm saying (or me) because they can't make sense of it and aren't calm enough to simply ask and keep asking, "What do you mean?" until they understand what I'm saying), but if I make time today, I'll start posting some of those topics. You can check in from time to time or follow to find them.

I think the husband/wife relationship, and any other relationship such as parent/child, etc. is over after death. Remember Jesus puts spiritual family over biological family.

1 Corinthians 7:39 and Romans 7:2 goes back to the widow with the seven deceased husbands. What if a woman remarries after her husband dies, who is she bound to then?

A spouse is a brother/sister in Christ first who decided to model the relationship between Christ and Church, then a spouse. We need to keep that in mind.

When I was a little boy, I often watched a movie about Jesus in which He fell three times while carrying the cross to Golgotha. I was a young adult when I learned that the Bible doesn't record Jesus falling three times at all and that this was a false belief.

As children and into adulthood, we're taught that there were three wise men (really, occultists (so, there's also the question of why God broadcast Jesus's birth first to occultists)) who came to see Jesus at His birth. But the Bible never says there were only three. The belief there were only three probably came from the fact that the Bible only names three of the gifts they brought: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

We all grow up with beliefs, some true and some false, that we never challenge. This is your chance to challenge the belief that is in the subconscious of basically everyone in existence-- that God 'takes away' good things from people. Here's an example from the Bible that acknowledges that God's people's are usually prone to not listen to or obey Him and why this is so often the case (which is the important part):

"As the Holy Spirit says: 'Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’ So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest'" (Hebrews 3:7‭-‬11).

Summary/interpretation of that: this is taken from the OT (and quoted in the NT as it still applies today) where God told His people not to turn away from His voice, leading, prompting. Though they saw His works, they didn't want to follow Him. Why? Because they didn't know His ways (His character) and therefore did not trust Him. They believed He wanted to take from them (ie. their time, energy, all the things you 'give up' to someone who is lord over you).

A kid in middle school comes to school one day with some skittles. He eats them discreetly, because he's thinking, "I don't want anyone to see me and ask me for any" or "I don't want to have to give anyone any." But one kid spots him and asks for some. Now, the kid's thinking changes to, "If I give him some, then I'll have to give everyone else some." At this point, he has two options: a.) say no at the outset to the kid who asked and so be relieved of the burden to give anyone any skittles at all, or b.) give the kid who asked some skittles and be prepared to give the other kids if they get word and come asking.

The above is how people generally think, latently. It was how God's people thought in the OT. It was how God's people thought in the NT. It's how God's people think now. It's in our human nature to not trust God and to think He wants to take from us (especially because Jesus said to deny all, etc., and knowing how people would take it, He purposely spoke harsh words like those for a specific reason (see John 6)).

What most christians do to counteract God's voice and prompting is that they 'say' no to Him at the very outset, because if you say no at the start, it's easier to say no every time afterwards. But if you say yes, and the more you say yes, the harder it is for you to say no later. Furthermore, the mindset is that if you say yes to God, then He will be taking up a lot of your time and expecting you to do more and more things, especially because most others aren't doing it and so you're one of the few doing it and so must do the work of many who are saying no.

God knows that most people subconsciously don't trust Him, don't believe He's good, and think He wants to take away from their quality of life, etc., and that this is often why people don't follow Him. He explains one of the foundational reasons people harden their hearts when He speaks to them:

"They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways."

God's ways are His character or who He is as a person, not to be confused with what He does or doesn't do. People who don't draw near to God and get to know His ways can't really trust Him, naturally, because they don't know Him. Most of the Israelites didn't know His ways (character) and most christians don't either but wouldn't 'draw near' to Him like Moses to discover it:

"He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the children of Israel" (Psalms 103:7).

When people don't know God, they always "go astray in their heart" which means that from the inside out (starting in their character or true beliefs about God and manifesting in their lifestyle or life choices), they don't trust Him. And because they don't trust Him, they don't listen to Him (they harden their hearts) when He comes calling. So why is God angry enough to declare, "They will never enter My rest" for christians who don't trust Him? Afterall, you can't help who you trust or don't trust. Because God knows that there's trust that's automatic and then there's trust that is built. He's angry at people don't take the time to build trust with Him and who are poised to say, like the man who didn't use his one talent in the parable, "I knew that You were a hard man." (He knew. For him, it was established for him as fact that his lord was untrustworthy.) They think they not trusting automatically will be justifiable enough. Problem is that neither did they want to build trust in God through faith in His Word.

All this is to say that there are beliefs we all were born with, grew up with, or acquired through life but that aren't factual. One of the main ones is the latent belief that a.) God is not good; from that belief comes the next one: b.) God is not trustworthy; and from that belief comes the next one: c.) God intends to take from me (ie. to take our fun, comfort, security, time, energy, etc.). Just like we can have false beliefs about Jesus's walk to the cross and how many wise men came to Jesus in the manger, we can also latently (or consciously/overtly) believe that God takes away good things from people though the Bible never says or exemplifies it.

You are assuming it is false. It could be true. The fact remains, it was not recorded.
God did not broadcast this to occultists. They simply understood Jewish prophecy, apparently better than even Herod, king of the Jews. I understand where the belief of three wise men came from, and again, it could be either true or false. Either is an assumption.
Perhaps it is you who needs to challenge your beliefs.

You did not address the fact that your claim that God did not take
anything away from Adam and Eve after they sinned is erroneous.