"She shall be saved through child bearing" (1 Tim 2:15) - meaning of this verse?

you said -----
If I saved a dog from falling over a cliff the word 'save' would apply in both
Greek & English. I 'saved' the dog. I did not give the dog eternal salvation. No one would suggest that I did.


LOL ---well that takes the cake !!!!!!!!!!!!--OH my land A Liberality -your equating saving a Dog ----with Jesus who was beaten and flogged beyond recognition --who shed His blood to cover all sin for all time --to save mankind -----

Nor will I indulge your childish ignorance by reading the remainder of your post.

I neither said nor insinuated any such thing.
Nor will I indulge your childish ignorance by reading the remainder of your post.

You can think as you like ---makes no different to me but the words Saved used in the scripture is Sozo and that refers to Salvation by and through Jesus Christ -----

Your Interpretation is your interpretation -----the Greek word says different ------

Dear Friends,

What do you think St. Paul the Apostle means to teach in this passage: "Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control." (1 Tim 2:15)

1. Is child-bearing a good work, especially because of e.g. the sacrifices and suffering involved in it, that is conducive toward salvation?
2. Finally, if continuing in faith, love and holiness, till the end was not necessary, as some say, why would St. Paul add the latter part?

Thoughts?

God Bless.

Yes having babies is a good work. Particularly if they remain in the faith, raising up children in the faith.
Families are the design for human living.

You can think as you like ---makes no different to me but the words Saved used in the scripture is Sozo and that refers to Salvation by and through Jesus Christ -----

Your Interpretation is your interpretation -----the Greek word says different ------

You are conflating the Greek words with your interpretation of the Greek words.

LOL you wish ----your just grasping at straws now -----now you can click on the word SAVED here in this scripture and you will see SOZO comes up ----so just maybe your the one conflating the words in your interpretation ------just saying

Instructions to Women
…14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. 15 Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

Is your thesis here that words can only have a single possible meaning associated with them?

Well you can make it say whatever you want to --that is your right ---but the Greek word used in this scripture is Sozo ---and Sozo always refers to Salvation whic you can only get by and through accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----Childbearing cannot save anyone ----so if you want to believe that when a woman bears a child and she becomes saved and heaven bound then you can believe that ----but I certainly don't -----I need Jesus to be have SOZO -----

You seem to have a problem with proper research on a piece of Scripture ------you can't just make up your own interpretation -----you have to ask the Holy Spirit to help you in your research direction ----and you have to look up the words in the scripture you are researching so you do get the proper meaning of the word in that piece of Scripture -----we are in the New Testament with this scripture so you need to look up the Greek word ----Hebrew word in the |Old testament ---and it gives you the meaning of the word in that scripture -----

For instance -----flesh ----sometimes in scripture it means your flesh --skin ---sand sometimes it means your way of thinking --so you have to look up the word to see what it means in that scripture and In one of my posts I did that and it means Salvation ---which comes through Jesus not childbearing ------

So this is what it says ----so we know that this is talking about Salvation through Jesus not childbearing ----and it gives you the scripture your looking at-----which here is 1 Tim 2:15

Since salvation begins in this life (in deliverance from error and corrupt notions, in moral purity, in pardon of sin, and in the blessed peace of a soul reconciled to God)
(aorist of the time when they turned to Christ, — as a thing still future, 1 Timothy 2:15

You didn't answer my question. I'll ask it again:

Is your thesis here that words can only have a single possible meaning associated with them?

Yes or no?

---Just because you don't like my answer doesn't mean I didn't answer your question -----As far as I am concerned ----I think my answer explains it very well ----and just to let you know I am not beholden to answer any of your questions ----and this Question you ask is not a yes or no answer as far as I am concerned ---not when it comes to searching words in Scripture -in the Hebrew and Greek ----in your world a yes or no answer may well fit ---but not in my world -----so we see things different

Oh and by the way ---your haven't given me any reason to think differently about the scripture -------

all you say is
Is your thesis here that words can only have a single possible meaning associated with them?

So first off ---the word you use here THESIS ----is way off base ------and your slapping God in the face by using such a term ----in my view

As Scripture is not a Theses ----
Scripture is not as essay either ----
Scripture is not a Hypothetical proposition either ---

the·sis
(thē′sĭs)
n. pl. the·ses (-sēz)
1. A proposition that is maintained by argument.
2. A dissertation advancing an original point of view as a result of research, especially as a requirement for an academic degree.
3. A hypothetical proposition, especially one put forth without proof.

This is my answer from my above post -----and I did answer your plea and I did it my way ------you may not approve ---but I am not looking for your approval -----

you can make it say whatever you want to --that is your right ---but the Greek word used in this scripture is Sozo ---and Sozo always refers to Salvation which you can only get by and through accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----Childbearing cannot save anyone ----so if you want to believe that when a woman bears a child and she becomes saved and heaven bound then you can believe that ----but I certainly don't -----I need Jesus to be have SOZO -----

You seem to have a problem with proper research on a piece of Scripture ------you can't just make up your own interpretation -----you have to ask the Holy Spirit to help you in your research direction ----and you have to look up the words in the scripture you are researching so you do get the proper meaning of the word in that piece of Scripture -----we are in the New Testament with this scripture so you need to look up the Greek word ----Hebrew word in the |Old testament ---and it gives you the meaning of the word in that scripture -----

For instance -----flesh ----sometimes in scripture it means your flesh --skin ---sand sometimes it means your way of thinking --so you have to look up the word to see what it means in that scripture and In one of my posts I did that and it means Salvation ---which comes through Jesus not childbearing ------

So this is what it says ----so we know that this is talking about Salvation through Jesus not childbearing ----and it gives you the scripture your looking at-----which here is 1 Tim 2:15

Since salvation begins in this life (in deliverance from error and corrupt notions, in moral purity, in pardon of sin, and in the blessed peace of a soul reconciled to God)
(aorist of the time when they turned to Christ, — as a thing still future, 1 Timothy 2:15

I don't care much for your Olive Oyl arm flail posts. But I am interested in why you believe that your interpretation would be considered more compelling.

Please look at Jude 1:15 which also contains Strong's 4982.

"I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not." - Jude 1:15 KJV

You seem to have a problem with proper research on a piece of Scripture ------you can't just make up your own interpretation -----
you have to ask the Holy Spirit to help you in your research direction ----and you have to look up the words in the scripture you are researching so you do get the proper meaning of the word in that piece of Scripture -----we are in the New Testament with this scripture so you need to look up the Greek word ----Hebrew word in the |Old testament ---and it gives you the meaning of the word in that scripture -----

For instance -----flesh ----sometimes in scripture it means your flesh --skin ---
and sometimes it means your way of thinking --so you have to look up the word to see what it means in that scripture and In one of my posts I did that and it means Salvation ---which comes through Jesus not childbearing ------

If you are proposing this as a collectively accepted perspective, why should someone follow your voiced instinct if it contradicts their own instinct?

It's possible to over-analyse word definitions. If I saved a dog from falling over a cliff the word 'save' would apply in both
Greek & English. I 'saved' the dog. I did not give the dog eternal salvation. No one would suggest that I did.

We all know that salvation comes only through faith in Jesus' atonement for us. The salvation that comes from faith
alone covers Eve's sin. That we could attain any part of our salvation through bearing children would be adding a step
to the cross. I therefore don't believe that is what Paul would have been teaching. Context is important.

It would also leave women who are childless with incomplete salvation. A strange interpretation.

I say
Show me a reason why the word Saved in the scripture is wrong when the Greek word Saved in this Scripture says it means this ----- -------
(aorist of the time when they turned to Christ, — as a thing still future, 1 Timothy 2:15

it means a time when they turn to Christ ----that means Salvation ------it is very plain to see what it means ------A kindergarten kid would understand that -----I'm sure

The interpretation I thought made the most sense was that the reference is to Eve-> she was saved in childbearing because the seed of the woman was Jesus... the savior. I don't believe this is referring to NT women.

*** not that NT women aren't saved by her childbearing- they obviously are; I mean they're not saved by their OWN childbearing; but they are obviously being saved by Jesus; provided they are his.