The second coming of Jesus

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soberxp

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James 4:3 You ask, and receive not, because you ask in vain, that it may be wasted in your pleasures.
6 But he gives more grace. That is why it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

If we can't receive it, then we have to think about whether the problem comes from ourself.

We need to understand that God is not trying to get people to believe in Him without getting sick or dying.

So what is God's purpose?
What was the purpose of Jesus' second coming.
 
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soberxp said:
believe in Him without getting sick or dying.
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Many have believed On Him, And are still sick and dying, but knowing
His Truth, In Today's Age Of Grace: GRACE Word for our infirmities

Amen?
soberxp said:
So what is God's purpose?
What was the purpose of Jesus' second coming.
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The prophesied Second Coming Of Christ's Purpose Is:

to save Israel, and set up the "kingdom ON earth," ruling and
reigning over the Gentile nations, blessing and bringing them to
Jerusalem to "worship THE KING Of Kings!" (OT, Mat-Joh, Heb-Rev)
Prophecy/Covenants With Israel

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Grace/Mystery For TODAY'S Body Of Christ:

More Differences here, between second coming and rapture:

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure I
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Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure II
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Satan, has done a Great job, has he not, Diverting our attention
away From The Present-Day Grace/Mystery Purpose Of God for
The Body Of Christ, and getting many Very Confused Focusing on,
and have ENDLESS arguments Over, Interpretations of the FUTURE
Purpose Of God, for ISREAL! (making a Weak & DIVIDED church!)

God's Simple Will, For us Today, Under GRACE!

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
 
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soberxp said:
You seem to have misunderstood. The Bible says "sun and moon being darkened", not completely losing light.
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Not according to the prophecies:

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Not only our sun, but all suns in the heavens will stop shining!

The subject is the Lord's day and how near it is, and then it proceeds to tell us of that day.


Joe_2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joe_3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Again, all suns will stop shining.

This is a complete darkening of the sun and moon.
 
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Mattathias said:
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There he is,‘ do not believe him. For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ do not believe them. For just as lightening comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.”

(Matthew 24:23-27)

”Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”

(Matthew 24:29-31)

The second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ has not happened. It will happen, but it is still a future event.
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Sorry, you are 2,000 years too late. Jesus returned in AD 70 to close the old covenant, to judge the Jews under the law and not under grace, and to remove the temple forever. The Kingdom of God is here and now!

Next event in history? The final judgment of the wicked and the resurrection of our bodies. By the way, Jesus is dwelling in the hearts of believers as we speak, therefore there is no reason why He needs to return when He is already here by His Spirit. 😁

Final note, your scriptures are out of context and completely false.
 
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Come the New Jerusalem we shall have no need of sun nor moon, nor stars for our God will be our Light. There will be no night.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
How ridiculous! These soothsayers have been changing dates as one changes his underwear.
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Ezekiel 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because ye have spoken falsehood, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord Jehovah. 9 And my hand shall be against the prophets that see false visions, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the [d]council of my people, neither shall they be written in the [e]writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord Jehovah.

If they are lying the Lord will deal with them.

10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there is no peace; and when one buildeth up [f]a wall, behold, they daub it with [g]untempered mortar: 11 say unto them that daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

If you are telling people that the tribulation is not here you had better be right because when the storm hits and the house falls all the phony baloney prophets will be revealed.

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my wrath; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in wrath to consume it. 14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be uncovered; and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah. 15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered mortar; and I will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16 to wit, the prophets of Israel that prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and that see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord Jehovah.

During the tribulation judgement begins on the house of God. At that time all those who said there would be peace when there is no peace for her will see a grievous judgement.
 
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ZNP said:
Ezekiel 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because ye have spoken falsehood, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord Jehovah. 9 And my hand shall be against the prophets that see false visions, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the [d]council of my people, neither shall they be written in the [e]writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord Jehovah.

If they are lying the Lord will deal with them.

10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there is no peace; and when one buildeth up [f]a wall, behold, they daub it with [g]untempered mortar: 11 say unto them that daub it with untempered mortar, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

If you are telling people that the tribulation is not here you had better be right because when the storm hits and the house falls all the phony baloney prophets will be revealed.

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my wrath; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in wrath to consume it. 14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered mortar, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be uncovered; and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah. 15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered mortar; and I will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16 to wit, the prophets of Israel that prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and that see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord Jehovah.

During the tribulation judgement begins on the house of God. At that time all those who said there would be peace when there is no peace for her will see a grievous judgement.
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If you are going to quote OT scriptures, make sure you confirm them through the NT. The OT does not override the new. Out-of-context scriptures only reveal your utter ignorance.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
If you are going to quote OT scriptures, make sure you confirm them through the NT. The OT does not override the new. Out-of-context scriptures only reveal your utter ignorance.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with me when you said the Scriptures were completely false.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
The Lord dwells in every believer's heart.
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Yes, the new birth is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

But has this happened yet?
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Or this?
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Christ did not return in 70AD.

If you are not born again, you have no idea what I'm talking about (Jn 14:20, 23, etc.).
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You're much to quick to infer that people who do not agree with you are not born again.
 
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[But has this happened yet?
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Or this?
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Christ did not return in 70AD.]

Yes, He did. He came to judge Israel for rejecting and killing His Son, and for having broken His law to no recognition. Once the temple was destroyed, the old covenant ended for good,. Jesus prophesied about that in Mat. 23:36, 24:1-2, 34, Mark 13:30; Luke 11:49-50. What escapes your notice is that Jesus is God and God never reveals Himself in physical form. He did that int the OT, why do you think He should do it in the NT?

Jesus was glorified when He ascended to heaven to seat on the throne of glory and rule from heaven forever (Eph. 1:20-22, Heb. 1:3, Rev. 1:5, etc.), so, don't expect God to show up in physical form so that you can believe Him. Remember Jn 18:36. "My kingdom is not of this world."

My suggestion is to dump this nonsense and concentrate on getting to know the Lord better. If you don't know the Lord on a personal basis, you won't inherit the kingdom (Mat. 7:23).

Taking the word of God out of its intended context gives you the wrong interpretation.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:

Yes, He did. He came to judge Israel for rejecting and killing His Son, and for having broken His law to no recognition. Once the temple was destroyed, the old covenant ended for good,. Jesus prophesied about that in Mat. 23:36, 24:1-2, 34, Mark 13:30; Luke 11:49-50. What escapes your notice is that Jesus is God and God never reveals Himself in physical form. He did that int the OT, why do you think He should do it in the NT?

Jesus was glorified when He ascended to heaven to seat on the throne of glory and rule from heaven forever (Eph. 1:20-22, Heb. 1:3, Rev. 1:5, etc.), so, don't expect God to show up in physical form so that you can believe Him. Remember Jn 18:36. "My kingdom is not of this world."

My suggestion is to dump this nonsense and concentrate on getting to know the Lord better. If you don't know the Lord on a personal basis, you won't inherit the kingdom (Mat. 7:23).

Taking the word of God out of its intended context gives you the wrong interpretation.

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Dude, your interpretation of God's word is seriously out of whack.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Yes, He did. He came to judge Israel for rejecting and killing His Son, and for having broken His law to no recognition. Once the temple was destroyed, the old covenant ended for good,. Jesus prophesied about that in Mat. 23:36, 24:1-2, 34, Mark 13:30; Luke 11:49-50. What escapes your notice is that Jesus is God and God never reveals Himself in physical form. He did that int the OT, why do you think He should do it in the NT?
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Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Jesus was glorified when He ascended to heaven to seat on the throne of glory and rule from heaven forever (Eph. 1:20-22, Heb. 1:3, Rev. 1:5, etc.), so, don't expect God to show up in physical form so that you can believe Him. Remember Jn 18:36. "My kingdom is not of this world."
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Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Rev 19:11ff

Once Jesus returns, there is no record of Him returning to heaven again. He will rule this world from Jerusalem for 1,000 years (Rev 20:4ff), and then comes the new heaven and new earth, where New Jerusalem will be on that new earth.

MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
My suggestion is to dump this nonsense and concentrate on getting to know the Lord better. If you don't know the Lord on a personal basis, you won't inherit the kingdom (Mat. 7:23).

Taking the word of God out of its intended context gives you the wrong interpretation.
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You're a stuffed shirt.

Jesus Christ has not returned yet. You'll know it when He does.
 
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Has the first seal been opened with the rider on the white horse? That is the great deception of fake news, fact checking, censoring, telling you good is evil and evil is good.

Has the second seal of war been opened? Yes the pandemic was a bioweapon, the invasion of Ukraine is the beginning, the invasion of Taiwan will turn this into WWIII

Has the third seal of famine been released? Yes, the lack of fertilizer, the terrible harvest, the shortages, the inflation, all these will result in mass starvation and it has begun.

Has the fourth seal of a mass die off been opened? Yes, we have seen a 40 sigma event with #diedsuddenly cases a massive increase in deaths among the 18-45 year old working age people.
 
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