Conclusion From Beware the Pseudo-Rapture Doctrine 4

You sound too close minded so dont worry about it. It is also alot of time to invest (as you put it) to argue and go around in circles.

Because that's when sacrifice ceased.

So, it sounds to me as though you are saying that when Jesus said, "and I will raise him up IN THE LAST DAY," that He wasn't referencing BELIEVERS [/the righteous]??

(John 6:44, for example - John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. (biblehub.com) )

John 6:40, for another example - "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at [/in] the last day. " - https://biblehub.com/john/6-44.htm





Hmmm... your viewpoint is a head-scratcher. lol

Might I direct you to TDW. He can help you out with that.

Preterism of the 70AD kind is a heresy IMO. Easily debunked.

Okay, what I'm gathering from reading your post (correct me if I've misunderstood you), you believe that "the church will be gathered to her eternal home" (via "rapture") AT THE TIME OF REV19 (Christ's Second Coming)? Is that right?
And that, FOLLOWING this is when "God's wrath" unfolds upon the earth (I assume you mean, by means of the "7 Vials"??), which you believe take place AFTER the events shown in Rev19 (Christ's coming / His Second Coming commonly-called), which "wrath" will then/thereafter last FOR SEVEN YEARS? Am I reading your viewpoint correctly?

I'm just surprised that you quote a scripture that speaks to sacrifice ceasing but somehow it doesn't correlate to the time when sacrifices actually ceased.

Because it is prophecy. Of the future-telling kind. Lots of that going on in the Bible bro.

And the Second Coming is INEXTRICABLY LINKED to the 70th week of Daniel. As in happening at the end of it.

How people miss that simply beggars the imagination.

Absolutely not. It is relatively near future. Like less than a generation IMO.

How did you ever come to that conclusion? Never in my life have I believed in any preterist theory. Fortunately.

It was future when it was written. How about Daniel 2 and the interpretation of the dream. Have the 4 empires ceased or still to come?

I have Daniel all sorted out bro. It is a masterwork. The key to all end-time prophecy.

Regarding TDW, we see eye-to-eye on pretty much everything as far as eschatology is concerned.

The only matter where we differ is that of the fallen angels begetting Nephilim via the daughters of men (which is what I think happened). Quadruple redundancy in the Bible BTW. And the kicker is.......there WERE in fact inhuman giants running all over the levant from at least Abraham's time. Moses, Joshua, Chedorlaomer, Esau, David.....they were all slaying the plague of giants.

I really don't see any way around it.

Well you changed the subject and didn't respond to my question but I do appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Bro.....if there is any book of the bible I know.....its Daniel. That was maybe the first thing I studied.

In fact, understanding Daniel is key as regards the pre-trib rapture.

Debating with a 70 AD preterist makes no sense. Because you either apprehend the big prophetic picture in its fullness. Or you do not.

I just enjoy how many make the claim the Rapture Paul describes in Chapter 4 is pre-wrath because they claim that is what the evidence tells them.

But notice how they leave off the last Verse of Chapter 3 that describes the SECOND Coming like we read in Matthew 24 from Jesus.

Anyone with a brain knows Paul introduced the SECOND Coming in Chapter 3 and then explains the process in Chapter 4.

Precious friend, I have done this Several times; IF you don't investigate/study
the 'links' given, then that is between you and God, ok. So, we'll try:

a small portion (ELEVEN Scriptures) of God's Word Of Truth, 'Right Divided':

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure I:

...The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure II:

...According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:

CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)
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Exactly HOW then is this "OUTSIDE of, OR misunderstood (wrongly
DIVIDED) Scriptures?
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Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

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You are right on. Do not give heed to fables.

Hello! [Dense-one, or dim-wit here! (me!)]



Here's how I'm seeing that verse you speak of, referring to 1Th3:13 (b/f the chpt 4 "rapture / caught up / snatch" verse)...

Consider:


Consider the following versions of this verse (and see how it compares with another verse or verses I'll place below this verse):

1Thess3:13 -

International Standard Version

Then your hearts will be strong, blameless, and holy in the presence of God, who is our Father, when our Lord Jesus appears with all his saints.


Literal Emphasis Translation

To confirm your hearts, blameless in holiness before the face of our God and Father in the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints. Amen.


Weymouth New Testament

Thus He will build up your characters, so that you will be faultlessly holy in the presence of our God and Father at the Coming of our Lord Jesus with all His holy ones.




Consider HOW THIS ^ CORRESPONDS with the following verse (I've posted numerous times):

2Cor4:14 -

Holman Christian Standard Bible

We know that the One who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and present us with you. ["present us" means... WHAT? WHERE?]



[and]

1Cor6:14 [recalling also v.3! in same context] -

Berean Literal Bible

And by His power God has both raised up the Lord, and will raise us out.






Are we sure which direction 1Th3:13 is speaking to, when it says, "IN the coming [/presence / parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ with [accompanied-with] all His holy ones [set-apart ones]"?


For example, in Dan7:13 it says,

Young's Literal Translation

I was seeing in the visions of the night, and lo, with the clouds of the heavens as a son of man was one coming, and unto the Ancient of Days he hath come, and before Him they have brought him near.




It seems to me that (unless we consider ALL the related passages Paul is covering in all his epistles... and there are many), that we could just be assuming things that could be incorrect... I mean, what I've presented above (PLUS the fact of what 1Cor6:3 says in a close-context of one of the verses I supplied) sure seems to correspond more with what we see in Revelation 4-5 (with the "24 elders" [wearing "crowns" and sitting on "thrones"] saying "hast redeemed US to God by Thy blood out-of EVERY..." in a scene just b/f Jesus opens the first seal [the AC / man of sin] at the START of the "7 yr period"... yeah.)

Consider the following versions of this verse (and see how it compares with another verse or verses I'll place below this verse):
1Thess3:13 -
[...]
Literal Emphasis Translation
To confirm your hearts, blameless in holiness before the face [G1715] of our God and Father in the coming of our Lord Jesus with [accompanied-with] all His saints [/set-apart ones]. Amen.