Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
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Come on man. You can do better than that. This is POST RESURRECTION/POST ASCENTION don't forget.
The point being.....we are described as disciples just as they are.
Act 1:15
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Act 6:2
Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The point being.....we are described as disciples just as they are.
Act 1:15
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Act 6:2
Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
As a trained weather forecaster, I might actually disagree with certain things they say, so maybe not the best example to use. 
So what did God say? Do X things and then He will do X things, right? So our faith is actually in the teachings of Jesus. That’s a pretty safe thing to say right? Well, what did Jesus teach? Didn’t he show us the way? His way is the way. We follow this way believing it’s the way God has assigned to us in order to have eternal life. We have faith God will give us according to His message delivered to us by Jesus and our faith is evidence of that.
Jesus didn’t just say “have faith” and that’s all. The gospels are full of things he said to do and he also warned that if you don’t do them you can perish or not enter the kingdom of God. Our faith is dead without works. This is all through the NT.
So what did God say? Do X things and then He will do X things, right? So our faith is actually in the teachings of Jesus. That’s a pretty safe thing to say right? Well, what did Jesus teach? Didn’t he show us the way? His way is the way. We follow this way believing it’s the way God has assigned to us in order to have eternal life. We have faith God will give us according to His message delivered to us by Jesus and our faith is evidence of that.
Jesus didn’t just say “have faith” and that’s all. The gospels are full of things he said to do and he also warned that if you don’t do them you can perish or not enter the kingdom of God. Our faith is dead without works. This is all through the NT.
Saved BY grace FOR good works.
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Did Jesus choose Paul? Like individually?
Of course. Likewise every one of us.
Here you go. Individuals with new names. Each and every one DIFFERENT and unique.
Phl 4:3
And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Of course. Likewise every one of us.
Here you go. Individuals with new names. Each and every one DIFFERENT and unique.
Phl 4:3
And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Rev 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Every Christian (person born again of the Holy Spirit) will be saved. The gift of the Holy Spirit is the guarantee of salvation (Eph 1:13-14).
The difference between a dedicated Christian and a "pew-warmer on Christmas and Easter" Christian will be rewards. Dedicated Christians will receive a "rich welcome" (Heb 10:35; 2 Pet 1:11; more..), lazy Christians may get nothing at all (1 Cor 3:10-15). But every Christian will be saved.
The difference between a dedicated Christian and a "pew-warmer on Christmas and Easter" Christian will be rewards. Dedicated Christians will receive a "rich welcome" (Heb 10:35; 2 Pet 1:11; more..), lazy Christians may get nothing at all (1 Cor 3:10-15). But every Christian will be saved.
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