Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

That is very true.


God's people who believe that they are saved by their good works are correct, but it is not eternal salvation.

Salvation=deliverance, saved=delivered, save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.

There is a one time eternal deliverance, which was accomplished by Jesus sacrifice, to redeem all of those that his Father gave him, as an offering to God, and not to mankind.

There are many deliverances for the born again children of God, byu their good works, as they sojourn here on earth.

The Bible is clear the sins of the father aren’t inherited genetically or spiritually.

Possibly could imply that. Yes.

Beautiful exegesis bro......

The "ALL" in Adam refers to all mankind. The "ALL" in Christ refers to all who are fallen asleep in Christ,(1 Cor 15:18), which is not all of mankind.

All of mankind, after Adam, were born into this world, having our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were, by nature, the children of wrath, even as others. (Eph 2:5)., even babies.

you’re a theologian so I know you have no problem making the Bible say anything you need it to say.

Do you believe your faith without works is dead like James said? Yes or no.

Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit that is given in the new spiritual birth. The born again child of God's faith can be responsible for salvations (deliverances-Strong's concordance) as he sojourns here in this world, but not his eternal deliverance.

Heavy sigh at this ongoing debate. Can it be both..

HE and only He is our Salvation, let's keep abiding in His truth. Let's endure, knowing He is Faithful.

Let's just praise His Holy Name and Give Him all the Glory, never taking our responsibility lightly to endure!!!

And verse 39 tells us who will look to the Son and believe in him, and it is those which God hath given him.

A born again child of God's faith, with works, can deliver him, as he sojourns here in this world, but not eternally. Save=deliver, according to Strong's concordance.

Good morning Renee I hope you are well

I am wondering what you mean by saying, "can it be both"?

Both what? Could you please clarify?

PS~ such is the nature of apologetics: everything keeps being discussed, again, and again, and again. It has been going on for centuries, and the internet has made it possible for more to participate in the ongoing debate concerning man's greatest need. It is not about to end.

Christ's blood on the cross covered all of those that his father gave him, in redeeming them from their sins. Not just making it possible.

If he shed his blood for all mankind, then his blood would be a failure to those who are not born again, and are going to hell.

I believe the scriptures to teach that Christ's blood was effective in redeeming all of those that His Father gave him. Christ is not a failure.

Hey you, so good to see you, Magenta. Hugs.

Thank you for helping me see this ongoing debate as a good thing, especially when you said man's greatest need. I love apologetics, wanted to be an an apologist at one time, in fact. I admire those who have taken the time to study in great detail and those willing to discuss others take. Coming together to reason is a good thing, if does so in a manor that Glorifies Him.

However, my tendency to conclude with a third option doesn't seem to work, lol. Plus, I am too nonconfrontational to be any good at such endeavors. God clearly wants other things for me, or so I believe < see I did it again, lol. You know me, lol.

I feel like all His verses line up with His one truth and until we find harmony in ALL the scriptures, we need to keep going back to the ultimate drawing board, Him and His word.

I guess that on this topic, it seems like it justs around and around because it is both, to me.

He is our Salvation, He is our "Keeper" but He also gives us the joy and responsibility of choosing Him and His Will, daily, picking up the cross. He keeps us on our toes. Thank You Lord. He wants us to rest in Him but be diligent in our day to day walk. I mean, there are verse after verse, like in Jeremiah that says He put fear in our hearts so that we will continue to serve, and also many verses about enduring. I believe He knows how easily swayed our inclinations are, so He has given us tools and yes even responsibilities to keep us keeping on.

With that said, He watches us as we go in and out of His pasture. He knows our steps and guides us. I mean, He calls us to endure, and that doesn't oppose that He and only He keeps us. To me, it just points to it even more. He is our Salvation and He created us with the privilege to choose to serve Him. each and every day.

Does this make sense?

Man is saved through faith apart from the merit of works, yet authentic faith in Christ does not remain apart from the presence of works.

How we each walk out the calling of our salvation is uniquely tailored to each person. Only God can see clearly at all times the beginning, and the end. In the meantime, we endure, as you say, as we live out the middle. You have a unique talent for sharing your heart, and are dearly loved for that quality. My blessing is perhaps not so obvious. You say you are non-confrontational, and yet I have seen you rise up like a bear to defend God's Word or a person suffering and in need. I get that being bearish it is not your normal mode, but still you are capable.

Renee, in my past life I went to great lengths to avoid confrontation. My life became so ensnared in sin and degenerated into addiction, alcoholism, drug overdoses, etc, because I felt so ill-equipped to deal with life on life's terms; I could not face the harsh realities of life, nor speak my truths for fear of hurting other people's feelings. Arriving at the brink of death repeatedly due to such an inability is no way to live life, ya know? In such a state, I realized eventually that due to constant fear of rejection and abandonment, I could not tell the truth if my life depended on it. Then I realized that my life did depend on my ability to tell the truth. Truth, Pilate asked. What is truth? The circumstances of our lives devoid of God's principles and Christ's love... what can or does it all mean aside from Him?

The search for meaning and purpose is ages old, but still, how are we to interpret all these things which go into the making of ourselves? I spent many years listening to people articulate their truths, their joys, their sorrows, their challenges, and their triumphs, and their understanding of God even as I was still in rebellion against Him, and running from Him, because listening helped me come to a better understanding and acceptance of myself. And then I finally surrendered my life to Christ. I do not speak of my profound experiences of God often, because they are my pearls, but these experiences initially helped me turn my life around, and then they ultimately turned it upside down, and completely transformed how I spend my time. I am am still not good with confrontation, but I am fierce in my defence of the Truth of God's Word, and count it a blessing that I have been graced with some measure of understanding, and I thank God for that, for all else pales in comparison to knowing Him.

Hey sis. Good to see you. Been awhile!!

I think this issue of why this debate keeps going on and on is how one defines works.

I think we all would agree. He is our savior and our keeper and out of gratefulness for all he has done and our faith in him as a father, we should daily strive to be like him in works of love

but that is not the real issue in this debate

the issue is one side thinks we are saved by grace alone. And works procede of out that faith and salvation we have

the other group thinks we are pretty much initially saved by grace. But we must maintain that salvation or earn it by our works.. not because we are saved, but to be saved.

And therein lies the fallacy. No person can "maintain" their salvation, for the simple reason that eternal life is a free GIFT of God, which cannot be earned or deserved. So it all boils down to a gross misunderstanding of salvation. It is a gross misunderstanding of justification by grace through faith, and the imputed righteousness which God gives to the one who repents and believes. "Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness". This is a mind-blowing concept which many genuine Christians fail to fathom.