Does God want you to take charge and tell Him what to do?

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JaumeJ

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Yeshua walks upon the waters. The waters are mankind. He calms the storm, the raging waters. Those waters are a prophesy of what is to come, and when He returns we shall all walk upon the waters with Him More than just conquerors.
 

know1

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My answer is as follows:
1. Yes, in many Psalms, David implores or demands that God rescue him, for example. However, he is at the center of God's will in running away from Saul and, later, Absalom. If we know that what we ask for is biblical already, we can implore God to do it.
2. If we have no idea whether or not God wants to answer "yes" to our prayer, we can ask him with an underlying willingness to submit to his answer, whatever it is. In fact, the word "demand" has a negative connotation that I don't find in Scripture. We shouldn't, therefore, "demand," like a little child's temper tantrum, but we can urgently call for God's rescue or gift with a submissive spirit.
You are correct concerning David demanding certain things of God in the Psalms, but that is not the only example in scripture.
 

know1

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Moses telling God to turn from his wrath and not destroy the people. :eek:

Exodus 32
9 And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
And did God do what Moses told Him to do?
14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Good example.
If you look at look at all the miracles and great acts in the bible, you start seeing God doing what man says and acts on in faith, as though, that is the way God designed it to be.
 
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I think that davids anguish is found in the psalms to show us just how much he hurt, where he was emotional and spiritualy.
Yet again how david cried to the Lord to stop it gives testamony to the one true GOD who could stop it.
It gives us a picture of a true relationship between a father and son.
When I had to discipline my children it was a task that i never enjoyed but then again a task i never wanted to repeat.
 

know1

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The problem here is a Dispensational one - ie:

In God's Context of Prophecy/Covenants/Law, For Israel:

(17) Taught how/what to pray! (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2 KJB!)
"asking/believing And receiving," Correct?​
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Context of Mystery/GRACE!:

(17a) we Are Exhorted to "...Make our requests known Unto God!"
(
Philippians 4:6 KJB!) While, At The Same Time, God "Teaches":

(17b) Concerning our infirmities, we "know Not" what to pray "as we ought,"
But "The Spirit Intercedeth FOR us, According To The Will Of God!..."
(
Romans 8:26 KJB!)

Borrowed from: Distinctions of prophecy And MYSTERY!

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings
There are of course, times when we don't know what to pray, and yes, we should seek God and pray in the spirit, that He may reveal or cause us to pray as we aught.
However, what happens when we just say what we believe without any thought?
Like when we get angry, and say something negative, yet what we believe to be true, to the person to whom we are angry with?
What did we just do?
 

Underwhosewings

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My answer is as follows:
1. Yes, in many Psalms, David implores or demands that God rescue him, for example. However, he is at the center of God's will in running away from Saul and, later, Absalom. If we know that what we ask for is biblical already, we can implore God to do it.
2. If we have no idea whether or not God wants to answer "yes" to our prayer, we can ask him with an underlying willingness to submit to his answer, whatever it is. In fact, the word "demand" has a negative connotation that I don't find in Scripture. We shouldn't, therefore, "demand," like a little child's temper tantrum, but we can urgently call for God's rescue or gift with a submissive spirit.
Maybe this word…..
Beseech
meaning = ask (someone) urgently and fervently to do something; implore; entreat.
"they beseeched him to stay"
 

know1

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You all are missing the point.
Even as there is more to the kingdom of God than salvation, there is also more than simply asking God for things.
I say again, if Jesus is the word of God, which He is, then if we speak or send God's word to do something, then we have in effect, to Jesus/God what to do.
And remember this one thing. That is is IMPOSSIBLE to please God apart from faith.
So I you say or do something in faith, without asking God if it is His will, then that too pleases Him.
Paul called one of those actions, "word of faith", but we can do things in faith, just the same.
If we eat or do something we think we should not do, but do it anyway, the bible says, we bring damnation or negative consequences to ourselves. But if we eat or do the same said something in faith, then God is pleased and we do not bring any consequences on us or our families.
By saying or doing things in faith, we are in effect, causing God to perform that which we have directed Him to do.
For example, if I bless my food to be healthy, fit, and nutritious for my body and to remove everything that isn't good for my body, then God is obligated to make sure the food is as I have believed and spoken.
And in so doing, again, I have just told God what to do, and He performed the act according to my faith, as it is written.
"According to your faith, be it done unto you."
Does any of that make sense to anyone?
 

know1

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I belong to our Father by Jesus Yeshua, and I always ask Him for anything according to His will, understanding that His will is utter wisdom. We thank Him for any tribulation, and when we do we are blessed with understanding or simply more faith.

No, I could never petition Him in the human mind set of instructing Him for He is the Teacher, not we. God bless you.
Please read post 27
 

Mem

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Jesus exampled thanksgiving before breaking the bread and feeding five thousand and, although it may be valid that we are given power over a loaf of bread, or a storm, God illustrates the absurdity of anyone 'commanding' Him by simile to a clay pot attempting to instruct it's potter.
Read the next verse, and you'll see God saying that He spread out the heavens and commands its hosts so, if you can command God, then, following that logic, you should be able to create an entire universe.
 

Cameron143

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Mat 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
Mat 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

Did Jesus actually command His disciples to feed everyone, and would He tell them to do something they could not do?
What was Jesus testing Philip for, or what was it about?
Jesus didn't tell them to do something they couldn't do. All that was required was for them to believe.
They didn't possess within themselves the ability to multiply food. They did possess the ability to believe and obey. That's all that is required of any of us.
 

JaumeJ

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Please read post 27
There is a great difference between a plea and a demand, we must all learn this when reading the Psalms, and all will be well, at peaace.
 

ResidentAlien

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Does God want you to take charge and tell Him what to do?
No, this is word of faith nonsense. But it sounds like you're already firmly entrenched so have fun with it; hope it all works out.
 

Bruce_Leiter

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The problem here is a Dispensational one - ie:

In God's Context of Prophecy/Covenants/Law, For Israel:

(17) Taught how/what to pray! (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2 KJB!)
"asking/believing And receiving," Correct?​
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Context of Mystery/GRACE!:

(17a) we Are Exhorted to "...Make our requests known Unto God!"
(
Philippians 4:6 KJB!) While, At The Same Time, God "Teaches":

(17b) Concerning our infirmities, we "know Not" what to pray "as we ought,"
But "The Spirit Intercedeth FOR us, According To The Will Of God!..."
(
Romans 8:26 KJB!)

Borrowed from: Distinctions of prophecy And MYSTERY!

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings
It's not a dispensational problem because the saints of the Old Testament have the same kind of faith as the ones of the New Testament, as Hebrews 11 amply demonstrates. Paul told God to take away his "thorn in the flesh." The key phrase in the question is "take charge." We must always let God take charge, since he is God, and we are not..
 

soberxp

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Jesus exampled thanksgiving before breaking the bread and feeding five thousand and, although it may be valid that we are given power over a loaf of bread, or a storm, God illustrates the absurdity of anyone 'commanding' Him by simile to a clay pot attempting to instruct it's potter.
Read the next verse, and you'll see God saying that He spread out the heavens and commands its hosts so, if you can command God, then, following that logic, you should be able to create an entire universe.
It seems unlikely that you will be able to complete a complete description of the universe in our short lifetime, because you will have gone to see God in heaven before you have finished describing it:ROFL:
 

Mem

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It seems unlikely that you will be able to complete a complete description of the universe in our short lifetime, because you will have gone to see God in heaven before you have finished describing it:ROFL:
lol, I wonder if I'd even have time to create half an earth even if I lived to be an hundred and twenty-seven years old. :unsure: I'd probably do an awful lot of erasing and re-creating. And all my animals would have funny looking noses :LOL::ROFL:
 

Mem

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And all my animals would have funny looking noses :LOL::ROFL:
With that said, I did have an idea of what the perfect cat, to me, would look like and wished to God that He create him... and He knew exactly what I was thinking of and filled in the details. And my shotgun rider, Babyphat' Finster, is beside me right now.
 

soberxp

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With that said, I did have an idea of what the perfect cat, to me, would look like and wished to God that He create him... and He knew exactly what I was thinking of and filled in the details. And my shotgun rider, Babyphat' Finster, is beside me right now.
Indeed.
 

know1

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Jesus exampled thanksgiving before breaking the bread and feeding five thousand and, although it may be valid that we are given power over a loaf of bread, or a storm, God illustrates the absurdity of anyone 'commanding' Him by simile to a clay pot attempting to instruct it's potter.
Read the next verse, and you'll see God saying that He spread out the heavens and commands its hosts so, if you can command God, then, following that logic, you should be able to create an entire universe.
Mar 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

It requires faith, and we are limited to earth, not other universes or even other planets. Without faith, nothing will happen..
 

know1

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No, this is word of faith nonsense. But it sounds like you're already firmly entrenched so have fun with it; hope it all works out.
I expected better from you sir.
Can you prove word of faith is nonsense?
How is it that you still don't know what faith is or how it works?
Paul taught on words of faith, as did Jesus.

Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Here we have Jesus Himself teaching Peter about that word of faith nonsense.
You all have done this on a small scale and continue using words of faith on a daily basis, albeit, unwittingly.
So why propagate the fear and hate of the teachings of Jesus?
 

know1

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It's not a dispensational problem because the saints of the Old Testament have the same kind of faith as the ones of the New Testament, as Hebrews 11 amply demonstrates. Paul told God to take away his "thorn in the flesh." The key phrase in the question is "take charge." We must always let God take charge, since he is God, and we are not..
Based on you post, I would say you have never cast out an evil spirit from someone.
Tell me, would you ask God to take charge and deal with it and wait for the thing to leave, or would you ask what God's will is, or would you take charge of the situation and thing and cast it out yourself?
You wouldn't want to do the latter, because that would involve using the evil and false doctine of words of faith in the name of Jesus.
So what would you do if you were ever faced with such a situation?