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FreeGrace2 said:
So you subscribe to the stupid theory that there are races of humans then??

Did you miss my use of the word "ethnicities" several times????


Off the rails again. NOT "racially different", as you say, but ethnically different.

Do you disagree with the 2 races that I have noted? The angelic and human races.


There are 2 races created by God, if you believe the Bible. Angelic and human. Period.
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You are one stubborn dude. Unteachable apparently.

God's first instruction to mankind was "multiply and fill the earth", and yet right after the Flood, Noah's descendants did the opposite.
There is NOTHING about "multiple races" here.

They huddled together and founded the first totalitarian regime in human history. Not only did they have one language, they also had one speech (Gen. 11:1), that means the one and only Newspeak narrative like the globalist narrative today. In that situation, God had to intervene by breaking them apart.
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YES, He did. And that doesn't mean He created "races'. He created differences in languages.

Geneticists know that ALL the human physical characteristics are in EVERY human. Again, pointing to and proving that there is just

ONE HUMAN RACE. But you don't want to accept the truth. That's your business, but accepting the fallacy that there are different races of humans is nothing other than being DECEIVED by Satan, who "leads the whole world astray" and "deceives the whole world".

Since your stubbornness is getting in the way of even understanding the truth, there's nothing more to discuss.

You go your own way and I'll go mine. {Fleetwood Mac}
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Do you mean, grammatically? Or because Jesus Christ is OUR "HEAD" and we His "BODY," thus are "connected," in that way?


Note that I never stated that WE will have "resurrection" apart from His having been raised from the dead.



Indeed he has. We already discussed that.



"23... BUT each in the own order/rank" is joined (by means of the "BUT-CONJUNCTION") back to the content of v.22b (the "FUTURE tense" SHALL BE), which verse I see you have conveniently LEFT OUT of your assessment. I wonder why??





[... of your missing v.22b ^ with its IMPORTANT piece of INFORMATION which is KEY to proper interpretation--> :unsure:I do not see it in your work anywhere, in the above... because it is that verse which informs us, grammatically (at the very least), that your "willy-nilly" extraction of the two occurrences of the word "firstfruit," bring RIPPED out of their direct contexts, are re-arranged to suit you, from the sentences wherein Paul had placed them, so as to incorrectly surmise what exactly it is that Paul is conveying in this text...
...no differently than to how that one well-known "video-maker" had done this same kind of butchering of the 2Th2 text, completely misconstruing the ACTUAL point that (at least, many) "pre-tribbers" are pointing out about that text. But not by his properly exegeting that text! NO! For he too SKIPS BACK OVER and PAST v.2 of that text, ignoring it[!!] ( :mad: ), to incorrectly join the Subject of v.3a ['that day'] TO VERSE 1's Subject, INSTEAD of what it grammatically connects back to: the distinct Subject of v.2 ('the day of the Lord'), in the wording immediately preceding v.3a! (vv.3a and 2 connect by means of a similar grammatical matter!) Most maddening... :sick: ]

Believe what you wish, DT.
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vs22 "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. "

AGAIN = just as verse 23 is subject to verse 20 so also is verse 22

COMMAND (vs20) Christ is risen and has become the Firstfruits
SUBJECT (vs22) As in Adam all die (only Adam and all who followed was/is subject to death because all have sinned)
COMMAND (v22) so in CHRIST all shall be made ALIVE ( Christ never sinned, His death was a Pure Sacrifice, therefore death could not hold Him)

i appreciate your zeal to look at the Greek text to see, which is Good, but it is the Holy Spirit, the Divine Author that SEES for us.
Therefore, this passage of scripture is called simple math = 1 +1 = 2.

You are striving over a word that shows/contains no merit on your cause to support a erroneous doctrine - pre-trib rapture by using 'epeita' as a support for a particular harvest/firstfruit by which you have arranged scripture in your thought process.

REMEDY: Revelation ch1 and Revelation ch22 (Take Two and call me in the morning = HE is RISEN)

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One.(Firstfruit)
I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever!(FIRSTFRUIT) And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last(FIRSTFRUIT), the Beginning and the End.”
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, there are many human races. Both the bible and science supports this.
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Geneticists agree that ALL the various human physical differences are within all humans.

One human race, within it are many inner races.
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No, one human race, and many variations.

The idea of "many races" within ONE race is ridiculous.

But go ahead and believe whatever you want. God created ONE angelic race and ONE human race.

I'll accept the truth.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
The idea of "many races" within ONE race is ridiculous.
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Look around. Do you think all dogs are just dogs?? All primates are the same too? God made different "races" even in animals. It's the same with humans.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
The idea of "many races" within ONE race is ridiculous.
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Look around. Do you think all dogs are just dogs??
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Good point! ALL dogs are in the DOG RACE. No cats in the DOG RACE.

All humans are in the HUMAN RACE.

All primates are the same too? God made different "races" even in animals. It's the same with humans.
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Your opinion is stunning.

To claim that humans are in different races is an attack on God's creation and plan.

He created an angelic RACE and a human RACE. The variations and differences are NOT a race.

To claim there are races within the human race is silly.

Again, I refer you to any geneticist. They will tell you the DNA across mankind is MORE SIMILAR than different. All DNA came from Adam and Eve. That is ONE race.

You have been deceived by the evil race baiters. Their goal is to attack God's plan, and divide people, so it's easier to control them.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
To claim that humans are in different races is an attack on God's creation and plan.
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No it's not. You are just excusing your bad conduct to attack me personally. You are full of insults. It's not becoming of someone who calls themselves a Christian. Discussing scripture brings worst out of you. Jews aren't same race as gentiles. There are many different races in gentiles as well. We see the same exact type of thing in animal kingdom.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
To claim that humans are in different races is an attack on God's creation and plan.
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No it's not. You are just excusing your bad conduct to attack me personally.
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What??!! What do you mean by my 'bad conduct'? I have pointed out that God created TWO races, the angelic and human. You are the one fIGHTING against that FACT. That's bad conduct on your part.

You are full of insults. It's not becoming of someone who calls themselves a Christian. Discussing scripture brings worst out of you. Jews aren't same race as gentiles. There are many different races in gentiles as well. We see the same exact type of thing in animal kingdom.
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The proof is in the reality.

There is an angelic race and there is a human race. That's all.

Talk about the races generally supposes that each "race" had a different beginning, which is totally untrue.

To accept the theory of various human races as a Christian is to acquiesce to the LEFT's agenda. And, forfeits any opporunity to defend and explain God's plan for the human race. That there is just one race, the human race.

That a professing Christian would continue to push back against the facts is stunning.

As to your charge that I'm "full of insults", this is what I found in my posts:

"You are one stubborn dude. Unteachable apparently."

That's it. Those are facts, not insults. I gave you facts, and you gave me opinions. Another fact.

You really need to talk to a geneticist. That would help you understand.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
To claim that humans are in different races is an attack on God's creation and plan.

What??!! What do you mean by my 'bad conduct'? I have pointed out that God created TWO races, the angelic and human. You are the one fIGHTING against that FACT. That's bad conduct on your part.


The proof is in the reality.

There is an angelic race and there is a human race. That's all.

Talk about the races generally supposes that each "race" had a different beginning, which is totally untrue.

To accept the theory of various human races as a Christian is to acquiesce to the LEFT's agenda. And, forfeits any opporunity to defend and explain God's plan for the human race. That there is just one race, the human race.

That a professing Christian would continue to push back against the facts is stunning.

As to your charge that I'm "full of insults", this is what I found in my posts:

"You are one stubborn dude. Unteachable apparently."

That's it. Those are facts, not insults. I gave you facts, and you gave me opinions. Another fact.

You really need to talk to a geneticist. That would help you understand.
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The word race is simply a word of communication. It describes a person or persons and is not intended to distract from the common traits of all flesh. It is useful when distinctions are needed to describe a person. No two persons are exactly alike in the flesh. We should not blame simple expressions of language for our need to accurately communicate.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
To claim that humans are in different races is an attack on God's creation and plan.

What??!! What do you mean by my 'bad conduct'? I have pointed out that God created TWO races, the angelic and human. You are the one fIGHTING against that FACT. That's bad conduct on your part.


The proof is in the reality.

There is an angelic race and there is a human race. That's all.

Talk about the races generally supposes that each "race" had a different beginning, which is totally untrue.

To accept the theory of various human races as a Christian is to acquiesce to the LEFT's agenda. And, forfeits any opporunity to defend and explain God's plan for the human race. That there is just one race, the human race.

That a professing Christian would continue to push back against the facts is stunning.

As to your charge that I'm "full of insults", this is what I found in my posts:

"You are one stubborn dude. Unteachable apparently."

That's it. Those are facts, not insults. I gave you facts, and you gave me opinions. Another fact.

You really need to talk to a geneticist. That would help you understand.
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When did I ever mention race? Race is a political term, never a biblical concept. Of course there're ethnic groups for a good reason - check and balance, God always uses one nation to discipline another.
 
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EyeWitness said:
The word race is simply a word of communication. It describes a person or persons and is not intended to distract from the common traits of all flesh. It is useful when distinctions are needed to describe a person. No two persons are exactly alike in the flesh. We should not blame simple expressions of language for our need to accurately communicate.
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If the term "race" is distracting from a smooth flow in conversation, it might be fruitful to refer to "ethnos" instead such as seen in Matthew 24:7.

Ethnos translates to nation, ethnicity, a people, or race and might match well with the same meaning that you infer by "race". We do see many references to distinct earthly ethnicities, such as Greeks, Jews, Barbarians, etc. The underscore in scripture is that these fleshly races don't matter, it is the new creature in Christ that matters (a "spiritual species" in a sense).

Interestingly, the word "ethnon" means a plurality of peoples, and that word is usually translated into English as "Gentiles" in the NT.
 
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EyeWitness said:
The word race is simply a word of communication.
Everyone is free to have their own opinions. But the word "race" as used today has sinister undertones. Just consider who uses and abuses the word: the far left Marxists, etc. Their single aim is power; to control people. The best way to do that is by the principle of divide and conquer. So they are trying to divide the nation through this phony separate of people by skin color.

Under all that skin, all humans are basically the same. Same lineage. Everyone came from Adam and Eve.

None of the physical characteristics people have result in a separate race. There is one race, the human race.

Since the far left Marxists, atheists, socialists and communists are evil, and Satan's useful idiots, using their term just gives them credence. But they have none.

It describes a person or persons and is not intended to distract from the common traits of all flesh.
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Sure. That's what Satan wants people to believe. It is an attack on God's creation. ONE race. Human

It is useful when distinctions are needed to describe a person.
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And just why would anyone want to do that? To further divide the country. Just like the evil CRT. Designed by a Marxist to further divide the country.

No two persons are exactly alike in the flesh.
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Irrelevant.

We should not blame simple expressions of language for our need to accurately communicate.
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If you want simple expressions to accurately communicate, and you are explaining to a police officer who just robbed a bank and left in a car, just say "a white/black/red/yellow man" in a "blue/red/white/black/orange/etc" car .

How's that for accurate communication. At add the word "race" to one's physical features is totally unnecessary.

Also, it's easier to say "I say a white man" rather than "I saw a man from the white race".

Let's get real. God created an angelic race and then a human race. That's it.

Angels aren't all the same, and neither are humans all the same. Leave "race" out of it.

That's just pandering to the left and Satan. Your choice.

I'd much rather start a conversation about the fact that God created one race from Adam and Eve.

The word "race" suggests a DIFFERENT origin. In fact, all animals DO have a different origin. Just read Genesis 1.

If every animal developed from just one male and female animal, then there would be only ONE race of animals. But we have many different races of animals because of that fact.

But the ENTIRE human race came from Adam and Eve. That means ONE race.

Acts 17:26,27
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I have saved a dictionary published in 2002. Because language is fluid and some people want to change the meaning and usage of certain words. Even the war in Europe is reportedly partially caused by concern that some are trying to corrupt the Russian language. Well that is not my concern, but people should be careful about tricking people with language changes. Anyway, it makes for interesting study and is no cause for division.
 
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EyeWitness said:
:rolleyes:

I have saved a dictionary published in 2002. Because language is fluid and some people want to change the meaning and usage of certain words. Even the war in Europe is reportedly partially caused by concern that some are trying to corrupt the Russian language. Well that is not my concern, but people should be careful about tricking people with language changes. Anyway, it makes for interesting study and is no cause for division.
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These changes are not natural changes, but deliberate corruption from the government institutions to take control of the narrative. They control the word, they control the mind. "Race" should mean nothing but a contest like a sprint race, a horse race or a bicycle race, it shouldn't have anything to do with skin tone.
 
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These changes are not natural changes, but deliberate corruption from the government institutions to take control of the narrative. They control the word, they control the mind. "Race" should mean nothing but a contest like a sprint race, a horse race or a bicycle race, it shouldn't have anything to do with skin tone.
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Yes, government or political manipulation of grammar is corruption. I just Googled the word race and found that they have removed the meaning of ancestral heritage. That is corruption and simple ignorance. Race is only a description of a person's physical traits. Groups of people have the same physical traits. Those groups are called races, families, nation's, etc. Keep a good printed recent history dictionary on hand for reference!
 
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Welcome to Satan's successful blurring of God's word. In these days there is no greater biblical doctrine under attack with so many confused flavors to choose from than "christian" eschatology. And all have their various proof texts and master theological constructs by which people variously read the same words yet greatly differ in interpretations.
After much study, I have not accepted fully any of the 4-main rapture timing positions of Pre-trib, Mid-trib, about 3/4-trib or Traditional Post-trib. To answer your question fully requires a right and wholistic understanding of all scripture but will offer just a few.
Read 2-Thess 2 with the perspective that unless the Antichrist comes 1st THEN comes the Lord's coming to gather/Rapture and meet us with Him in the air and the Day of the Lord (Day of Christ) as all 3 being simultaneous in timing. The Day of the Lord is in this case the 1,000-year kingdom of Rev 20:1-6.
Antichrist's appearance in the rebuilt Jerusalem temple has been decreed by this 2Thess 2 text as coming before the Rapture. In this sense, unless the Antichrist comes as prophecied it/he is DELAYING the Lord's coming to resurrect and/or rapture us. When the Lord does come to rapture us it is at the beginning of His 1,000-year kingdom, when He has begun to reign at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet Rev 11:15 with 7-Bowls still to happen to fully complete the transitioning to full establishment of the kingdom.
Elsewhere the bible teaches that it is at least (1,260 days) or 42x30-day only months from the Antichrist's temple appearing to the 2nd Advent of Jesus upon the earth (Ruling out Pre-trib, Mid-trib and 3/4-tribbers).
This means we go through the time of God's wrath in the 7-Seals and 6-Trumpets of Daniel's 70th week BUT are rescued in the end via rapture from God's fierce and final wrath that is or occurs during the 7-Bowls at the very beginnings, of the day of The Lord, that is our promised 1,000-year Sabbath. I.e., we will be in untouchable glorified bodies via resurrection or Rapture.
If we have crossed over from Adam to Jesus in this life and suffer for Messiah's sake or suffer as collateral damage on earth. This is as testing or "promised" tribulations to strengthen our faith potentially to greater maturity, it is not God's wrath directly upon us but God causing all things to work for the good of all those who TRUST HIM.
The overcomers in the book of Revelation are those who maintain their testimony even to the point of (physical) death.
 
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4winds said:
Welcome to Satan's successful blurring of God's word. In these days there is no greater biblical doctrine under attack with so many confused flavors to choose from than "christian" eschatology. And all have their various proof texts and master theological constructs by which people variously read the same words yet greatly differ in interpretations.
After much study, I have not accepted fully any of the 4-main rapture timing positions of Pre-trib, Mid-trib, about 3/4-trib or Traditional Post-trib. To answer your question fully requires a right and wholistic understanding of all scripture but will offer just a few.
Read 2-Thess 2 with the perspective that unless the Antichrist comes 1st THEN comes the Lord's coming to gather/Rapture and meet us with Him in the air and the Day of the Lord (Day of Christ) as all 3 being simultaneous in timing. The Day of the Lord is in this case the 1,000-year kingdom of Rev 20:1-6.
Antichrist's appearance in the rebuilt Jerusalem temple has been decreed by this 2Thess 2 text as coming before the Rapture. In this sense, unless the Antichrist comes as prophecied it/he is DELAYING the Lord's coming to resurrect and/or rapture us. When the Lord does come to rapture us it is at the beginning of His 1,000-year kingdom, when He has begun to reign at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet Rev 11:15 with 7-Bowls still to happen to fully complete the transitioning to full establishment of the kingdom.
Elsewhere the bible teaches that it is at least (1,260 days) or 42x30-day only months from the Antichrist's temple appearing to the 2nd Advent of Jesus upon the earth (Ruling out Pre-trib, Mid-trib and 3/4-tribbers).
This means we go through the time of God's wrath in the 7-Seals and 6-Trumpets of Daniel's 70th week BUT are rescued in the end via rapture from God's fierce and final wrath that is or occurs during the 7-Bowls at the very beginnings, of the day of The Lord, that is our promised 1,000-year Sabbath. I.e., we will be in untouchable glorified bodies via resurrection or Rapture.
If we have crossed over from Adam to Jesus in this life and suffer for Messiah's sake or suffer as collateral damage on earth. This is as testing or "promised" tribulations to strengthen our faith potentially to greater maturity, it is not God's wrath directly upon us but God causing all things to work for the good of all those who TRUST HIM.
The overcomers in the book of Revelation are those who maintain their testimony even to the point of (physical) death.
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I don't see it that way.
I am 100% convinced of the pre-trib rapture. And future literal millennial Kingdom ruled by King Jesus on His throne in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Really....all of this is boilerplate Biblical doctrine. Not to mention the signs of the end-times manifesting themselves on a daily basis at this point.

Yep....it is all coming together.

You would think that the a-mills, post-mills, preterists and historicists would have abandoned their posts by now. I know I would have.
 
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4winds said:
Welcome to Satan's successful blurring of God's word. In these days there is no greater biblical doctrine under attack with so many confused flavors to choose from than "christian" eschatology. And all have their various proof texts and master theological constructs by which people variously read the same words yet greatly differ in interpretations.
After much study, I have not accepted fully any of the 4-main rapture timing positions of Pre-trib, Mid-trib, about 3/4-trib or Traditional Post-trib. To answer your question fully requires a right and wholistic understanding of all scripture but will offer just a few.
Read 2-Thess 2 with the perspective that unless the Antichrist comes 1st THEN comes the Lord's coming to gather/Rapture and meet us with Him in the air and the Day of the Lord (Day of Christ) as all 3 being simultaneous in timing. The Day of the Lord is in this case the 1,000-year kingdom of Rev 20:1-6.
Antichrist's appearance in the rebuilt Jerusalem temple has been decreed by this 2Thess 2 text as coming before the Rapture. In this sense, unless the Antichrist comes as prophecied it/he is DELAYING the Lord's coming to resurrect and/or rapture us. When the Lord does come to rapture us it is at the beginning of His 1,000-year kingdom, when He has begun to reign at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet Rev 11:15 with 7-Bowls still to happen to fully complete the transitioning to full establishment of the kingdom.
Elsewhere the bible teaches that it is at least (1,260 days) or 42x30-day only months from the Antichrist's temple appearing to the 2nd Advent of Jesus upon the earth (Ruling out Pre-trib, Mid-trib and 3/4-tribbers).
This means we go through the time of God's wrath in the 7-Seals and 6-Trumpets of Daniel's 70th week BUT are rescued in the end via rapture from God's fierce and final wrath that is or occurs during the 7-Bowls at the very beginnings, of the day of The Lord, that is our promised 1,000-year Sabbath. I.e., we will be in untouchable glorified bodies via resurrection or Rapture.
If we have crossed over from Adam to Jesus in this life and suffer for Messiah's sake or suffer as collateral damage on earth. This is as testing or "promised" tribulations to strengthen our faith potentially to greater maturity, it is not God's wrath directly upon us but God causing all things to work for the good of all those who TRUST HIM.
The overcomers in the book of Revelation are those who maintain their testimony even to the point of (physical) death.
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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Th 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

The Scriptures do not mention the antichrist
 
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In answer to the original post, this is my understanding of the scriptures about rapture/no rapture.

I find nothing in the New Testament about a Church rapture prior to the 2nd coming. Being raised up in the midst of the Southern Baptist, I heard plenty about a pre trib rapture, but never heard scripture for it. Those prophecy teachers would come around with all sorts of charts and pictures of scary monsters, but still I did not connect any dots.

I look forward to seeing Jesus again. I don't know when that will be, but it will be wonderful. In the meanwhile, I am ready for whatever may come through the worlds door.
 
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@Beckie 's Post #917, where you'd said:

[re: 2Th2] The Scriptures do not mention the antichrist
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CONSIDER:

[re: "the man of sin"]

1) 2Th2:9a - "whose COMING [/ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / Parousia";

2Th2:4a - "who OPPOSETH... EXALTETH... [ABOVE ALL that is called god]"

[compare with]

2) 1Jn2:18a - "ye have heard that ANTICHRIST IS COMING" (where the phrase "ye have heard" [like is repeated in Matt5] points back to what the OT scriptures had said...)

3) Dan9:26b "the prince [LXX - G2233 - hegeomai (Ezek43:7LXX for "king" 2x)] THAT SHALL COME / IS COMING [participle]"
(the part in CAPS and underlined would be superfluous if this verse were referring to the same person as back in vv.25,26a [and considering that Dan9:25-27 is written SEQUENTIALLY, this part comes AFTER the part in v.26a about "shall Messiah be CUT OFF and have nothing [/but not for himself]"--i.e. after His/Jesus' arrest/trials/death on the Cross--comp. Jer11:19 with what was said of Jesus])
 
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^ EDIT TO ADD (the part I'd forgotten to put in my post ^ ):

4) Dan11:36-37 "king shall do according to his will" (see this phrase elsewhere in Daniel, 8:4, 11:3, 11:16 for example); "36 ...shall EXALT himself and MAGNIFY himself ABOVE EVERY GOD ... 37 ...MAGNIFY himself ABOVE ALL" (corresponding with 2Th2:4a)
 
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