Submit and Obey
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There was something that didn't sit right with what you wrote.
And now I see what it is. You're writing as if a Christian can't choose their leaders. But we can!
You write "If I had rule over you would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?...."
But Christians are always given the choice as to who they want leading them.
I would not choose you as you sound very demanding to be obeyed and not even bothering to know anyone here to care about our needs (as a good leader should) other than to know if we'll bow down blindly to authority.
I'd go to another church where the pastor is more like the Lord Jesus and then I'd be willing to submit to his authority.
And now I see what it is. You're writing as if a Christian can't choose their leaders. But we can!
You write "If I had rule over you would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?...."
But Christians are always given the choice as to who they want leading them.
I would not choose you as you sound very demanding to be obeyed and not even bothering to know anyone here to care about our needs (as a good leader should) other than to know if we'll bow down blindly to authority.
I'd go to another church where the pastor is more like the Lord Jesus and then I'd be willing to submit to his authority.
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So what's the message you're here to bring. Instead of annoying people with questions and being a jerk when they answer, just what's the message and the people you're affiliated with. You've been obnoxious enough to ask people direct questions and demand an answer. So let's flip the conversation and see if you are here to discuss or just troll people with obnoxious views that you obscure with half answers.
I have to strongly disagree with you as to your opinion of my character.
I am more than certain that the living God will too.
As for what is my message? At this present point in time,
I do not have one, This is a discussion thread, to discuss the topic
of the thread. Whatever anyone receives from it or rejects of it,
from all our discussions of it, is not in any way in my control.
I am more than certain that the living God will too.
As for what is my message? At this present point in time,
I do not have one, This is a discussion thread, to discuss the topic
of the thread. Whatever anyone receives from it or rejects of it,
from all our discussions of it, is not in any way in my control.
I am assuming that you are what you seem to be, and be that as it may...
Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?
1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Yes or no?
Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?
1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Yes or no?
I believe both of those situations (the former being fornication and the latter I don't know the specifics but obviously their consciences were shipwrecked and they were blasphemous) were dealing with sin. And yes, the authority in our lives have the right to bring truth to our attention and sometimes it may lead to church discipline. But just because we don't obey a person who claims to be in authority doesn't merit the "delivering to Satan". It has to be based on Truth, not a man's notion.
This passage has to be taken in context, and taken in proper tension and balance with the rest of scripture.
A good pastor would not beat his congregation with this verse in order to control them, or exaggerate his authority.
He would first do a careful analysis of the passage, and then he would place it into very careful balance with the rest of scripture.
A good pastor would be especially careful with a passage that has been often abused.
The original audience for this book was Jewish Christians, people who would have understood the theology and wisdom books of the Old Testament. So this book was probably written with the presumption that the readers would already have the theological context with which to understand it. Modern readers do not necessarily come pre-equiped with this theological understanding.
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