Baptizing

thankyou for the prayer and the answer, I hope you change your mind, and your always welcome,

It wasn't added in my opinion. It was there originally but was omitted in some early manuscripts; either intentionally or accidentally. There are only a few manuscripts that don't have "and fasting." The vast majority do have it because those manuscripts were considered more reliable and therefore were copied more.

Accidentally added I can understand, that thought crossed my mind, befor,
But now I am at a loss as to what to do with my friend, and my best mate,

Im torn, my best mate has asked me not to alert the health authorities, as she feels he is only a bit vacant from time to time, and she feels hes oppressed only, but I fear it is more serious than that, my friend has also asked me to not tell my mum and dad, that we can do a good job of helping him. Which I'm struggling to keep in, my Dad would immediately replace him. And find another worker, if I told my dad everything I have shared here.

When I saw the scripture it's possible a fasting period and possibly a re baptism may help, my hopes where raised, but now there squashed.

@2ndTimeIsTheCharm I can understand now why you think I may have wanted to baptize him my self, I'm so sorry you have involved your self, I'm sorry for involving people, I do appreciate your, advice on helping me to learn commentaries. I'm so sorry it's gone this way, please accept my peace offering, I'm only trying to gather as much knowledge as I possibly can befor coming to a decision. I do need to know befor I can advice my best mate and friend and possibly make my dad understand. Because I have took the decision to tell my dad, but how I don't know yet.

The other thing is now that I have understood your fear which I did not at first, I have had that many assumptions in the space of 4 days, that it has hurt my feelings I'm just trying to do the best for everyone concerned, I hope your feelings are ok to, and I hope we can join in prayer,

Of course there is.... I'm assuming that was a tongue in cheek question, though...

Out of curiosity, why do you think that Jesus' last words here were instructing his followers to

"19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[b] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

I don't understand it.... there are so many scriptures that tell us that immersion is essential, yet so many people want to "argue it away"... it's such a simple act of faith and obedience.... and, yes, I believe it's necessary.
Can you be saved if you are not baptized? I don't know, that is not my call to make. All we can do is what the word tells us to do.

Now you are just trying to excuse your unwillingness to follow Jesus' instructions, brother..

What is the very first thing Paul did, upon regaining his sight... after eating/drinking nothing for three days? The FIRST thing he did??

"and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened."

It was... Sorry about that. I have the utmost confidence in my salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul later got revelation about what took place on the day of Pentecost. The Christian new birth, becoming born again of the gift of the Holy Spirit. That's what makes a person a Christian, that's the baptism that counts, not getting baptized in water. There is "one baptism" (Eph 4:5) and that is the new birth, getting baptized in the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 12:13). When a person hears and believes the gospel, he is sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13).

I realize that apparently I'm in the minority here, not believing that water baptism is necessary, and I appreciate your (and others) concern.

I found this article

Why Did Jesus Fast?
There were several reasons why Jesus was fasting: Jesus’ flesh was at its weakest, yet He conquered temptation, He demonstrated His faith, and, finally, fasting was His spiritual tool to draw strength from His Father in heaven.

Fasting is a common practice that can be found in Scripture. It is voluntary and total abstinence of food for a specific amount of time or days, and its aim is to devote oneself through prayer and seeking God. Jesus’ fasting can be read in one major occasion in Matthew 4:1–11.

Based on this passage, Jesus fasted for various reasons. This article shall explain this in full detail using these four major reasons.

. Jesus’ Flesh Was at its Weakest
The first reason is that during the time of fasting, Jesus’ flesh was at its weakest. This means that during this time, Jesus was indeed one of us — human. He was able to experience the weakest of flesh through the act of fasting. What does having the weakest of flesh mean? It means that it is susceptible to temptations and that is why, during this time, Satan was able to tempt him.

We, as humans, encounter weakness of the flesh all the time because we are humans. Jesus is another case. Jesus was fully God and fully man. That is why He was not susceptible to temptation.

However, during this time of fasting, He was able to experience the weakness of the flesh and become one of us. We should be thankful to Him for all His sacrifices as His fasting was only one of His sacrifices as our Savior. We are reminded of this in Romans 8:9,

You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

. He Had Conquered Temptation
Jesus’ fasting is also an example of how He conquered temptation. Based on Scripture, Satan tempted Him many times. First, Satan tempted Jesus to turn stones to loaves of bread to feed His hunger. Second, Satan tempted Jesus to throw Himself down so that the angels would come to help, proving He was truly the Son of God. Lastly, Satan tempted Jesus that all world’s glory could be given to Him if He worshipped Satan.
But Jesus was able to conquer all these temptations with simple, yet powerful rebuttals. First, He said that man shall not live by bread alone. Second, He said not to put the Lord God to test. Lastly, He said to Satan, “Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only” (Matthew 4:10).

This scenario teaches us Jesus’ fasting is a testament that He is powerful over temptation. This gives us hope in our own temptations. When we encounter temptation, we should remember Jesus and ask for His help to shun away Satan. “In Jesus’ name, I shall conquer temptation.”

We can learn a lot from how Jesus handled the situation. Jesus indeed set an example for His followers throughout the ages.

We are reminded by this through Scripture: “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them” (Acts 27:9), and “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord” (Leviticus 23:27).

. Fasting Is a Spiritual Tool
Lastly, Jesus fasted in order to prepare Himself for the ultimate Spiritual battle towards Satan that Satan surely lost. This is because fasting is a spiritual tool that prepares us spiritually and draws us closer to God’s strength.

It is a way to acknowledge that our strengths are not our own but God’s. Thus, this is what Jesus also did while fasting. It is recognizing His Father’s commands and drawing strength from His Father (Isaiah 58:6-14).

Why Does This Matter?
We have discussed four major reasons why Jesus was fasting: Jesus’ flesh was at its weakest, yet He conquered temptation, He demonstrated His faith, and, finally, fasting was His spiritual tool to draw strength from His Father in heaven.

Fasting was indeed part of the entire plan of our Almighty to save us through Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son. It was part of His preparation spiritually and physically. This fact makes us more drawn to Jesus and emphasizes how He loves us.

I fast every day between meals. It really is good for us.

My friend got grumpy from fasting all day, I said don't worry it will soon Passover,

That is correct. It is only a ritual and sacrament done for the purpose of remembrance and testimony.
Correct. It is a testimony to all.

Me too. I fast at least ten times a day.

Thankyou oysterpot .

Have you got any food stewing today, hehe.

Im trying to find out if deliverance is necessary in some cases befor baptism. I've been a pickled onion with this one I'm no eggs Spert lol

I've been in a pickle for a whole week,

But more seriously I don't want to make the wrong Judgement call, I don't want to lose a friend for the enemy, I know the enemy could be trying to divide a good family home, I'm scared the enemy might be making me believe a lie

Precious friend, no need to "be scared" of the enemy. Most of us, when we were
'babes-In-Christ' made "wrong judgment calls," being in Confusion. But, staying
With The Bible, God Helps us "grow up" ''at the right time!" Took me 11 years to
find the following Truth From His Glorious Word, Rightly Divided:
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More Precious Bible study is here:

Bible Contrasts I
+
Bible Contrasts II

Thanks grace do you have any idea whether deliverance is needed befor baptism in some cases. Its fine if your not qualified to say so.
Im going to church on Sunday I'll wait until then.


Thanks for your scripture grace but I don't feel comfortable here anymore.

Water baptism IS required today just as in biblical NT times for salvation. You cannot be saved without being baptized nor prior to it and actually receive the gift of the Holy Ghost or Spirit upon being baptized (Acts 2:38).

"38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

And your quote of 1Cor is quoting an inferior translation as is the kjv in this case (although I personally use the kjv but am aware of it's few anomalies). The interlinear in the Greek actually says "in one Spirit" not "by one Spirit".

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Precious friend, sorry to hear you are leaving - I will pray for you.

This is what I believe about ''Deliverance,' From The Scriptures:

Gospel Of The Grace Of God:
(RDF = Rightly Divided From)

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should
not trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who
Delivered us from So Great A Death,...
(RDF)

...and Doth Deliver:...
(RDF)

...in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us;"
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10)
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E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D version:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recog-
nizing These THREE, And, Also, God's Differences Between
"HIS Relationship With us," And (RDF) "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith (100% trust/belief with the heart!) ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God Delivered us from So Great A Death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship
With those who humbly repent and

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD) , Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance!
And here:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

► faith ◄
God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God Doth Deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:


"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a work-man
that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly
Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15)

Eternal Results: reward (GOOD works Required!) [or loss (BAD works!) *]
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which
Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day!

* More study: Finishing The Race

►► love ◄◄:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►►► Blessed HOPE! ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
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Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And (RDF) our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

We can discuss it when Christ returns.

Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water (Acts 10:44-46). This was pretty early in Acts, before Paul had received revelation and wrote his epistles, which is why Peter "commanded" them to be baptized in water. There is "one baptism" (Eph 4:5), and that one baptism is baptism in the Holy Spirit.

There is no problem with translating ἐν as "in." When a person hears and believes the gospel, he is baptized in the gift of the Holy Spirit, the guarantee of salvation (Eph 1:13-14).

You are not understanding Acts 10 and Acts 2 when the Holy Ghost fell unilaterally on the people without the laying on of the apostle's hands. In Acts 2 it fell on the the apostle's: why? As a sign to the unbelieving Jews who were then converted. And in Acts 10, it fell on the Gentiles also as a sign to but to Paul and his company, to validate bringing the Gentiles into the body of Christ, after which they were baptized. These are the only 2 instances recorded wherein the Holy Ghost fell unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands. It didn't happen anymore then nor does it happen today since there are no apostles by which the miraculous manifestation of the spiritual gifts can be manifested. The gifts have ceased as the scripture says they would (1 Cor 13:8).

It happened to me. In fact it happened to everyone who has confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and believed in their heart that God raised him from the dead, even if they think it didn't, or doesn't, until they are water baptized.

That's not true either. "That which is perfect" has not yet come.