Ukraine the bad guy?

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cv5

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Wagner group was involved with the attack of Khasham against US forces during the Trump years, I'm surprised anyone doesn't remember them tied to neonazism,,,Russia,,ISOL,,,ISIS ect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham and am appalled to see anyone seeing them as the good guys...
Who here said they were the "good guys"? Certainly not me.
Quite the contrary in fact.
 
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Ruh roh. What is the penalty for disloyalty to the regime in that neck of the woods?

Disloyalty, or even in some cases loyalty to the wicked regime of Russia will result in either being drafted to die for Putin's greed and lies in Ukraine or an extrajudicial assassination which shall be lied about in the State media, if it even gets mentioned at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_(2022–2023)
 

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Disloyalty, or even in some cases loyalty to the wicked regime of Russia will result in either being drafted to die for Putin's greed and lies in Ukraine or an extrajudicial assassination which shall be lied about in the State media, if it even gets mentioned at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_(2022–2023)
Today is memorial day weekend and probably every soilder in every nation has children and other family members that they believe they are or were protecting,mention them all on memorial day. Other than that whoever lives in which ever state and is protecting those loved ones can only pray that their leaders are not any part of an wicked regime because we all actually hope we're in the one that's not.
 

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Today is memorial day weekend and probably every soilder in every nation has children and other family members that they believe they are or were protecting,mention them all on memorial day. Other than that whoever lives in which ever state and is protecting those loved ones can only pray that their leaders are not any part of an wicked regime because we all actually hope we're in the one that's not.
Im so sorry to tell you but all our leaders are wicked, but putting that aside we do need to still remember our soldiers, what Hurts me most is the soldiers have sacrificed there life's to a a bunch of dictators who really have sold there soul to Satan.
 
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A continuation of good news. The heroic Ukrainians are escalating the first phase of their counter-offensive to great effects and assets are being positioned. The wicked governor of Belgorod survives an assassination attempt by the good Russian partisans. Arms sent by the nation of Sweden are put to good use. US Senator Lindsey Graham goes to Kiev and meets with President Zelensky promising more aid and reaffirming America's commitment to Ukraine and appearing pleased with Ukraine's use of US aid. For bonus points the pagan nation of Iran, which is allied with the wicked Russian regime, comes under attack by the Taliban and have several of their border posts destroyed. A great quote here is that the young men of the Afghanistan wish for their elders to declare war on Iran as they believe that the Iranians have become effeminate, which is of course a big sin in both Islam and Christianity.
 

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Russians can easily go live in Russia if they prefer. Why does America not give back the lands taken by force from Mexico? Do you agree that it was immoral to wage war on Mexico? Why not promote the idea of giving those lands back?
I'm not sure why anyone would promote giving any land to Mexico; that's just crazy. But since you brought up the Mexican-American wars, I was thinking today how this just reinforces something I mentioned earlier.

When the Tejanos and the Texans overthrew the local mexican government, and the Army of Texas captured Santa Anna, they weren't like "Okay, all of Mexico is ours now!!" Why not? because that's ridiculous and stupid, and makes no sense... but that's exactly what happened in Ukraine. We're in charge of all Ukraine now, and if you don't like it, then screw you. But that's not how things work in reality; never has been.

If the Neo-Ukrainian government had negotiated and settled with counter-revolutionaries; I would probably be like "okay, good for them" but instead, they appear to be greedy slimebags that have sucked the entire world into their stupid problems. America has it's own problems- we don't need Ukraine's problems... or Russia's problems... or really even Western Europe's problems, but I suppose after we are done fixing ourselves, we could smack some sense into our European allies... but this Ukraine thing is not our problem. They could have negotiated, and still can negotiate their way out of this.
 
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I'm not sure why anyone would promote giving any land to Mexico; that's just crazy. But since you brought up the Mexican-American wars, I was thinking today how this just reinforces something I mentioned earlier.

When the Tejanos and the Texans overthrew the local mexican government, and the Army of Texas captured Santa Anna, they weren't like "Okay, all of Mexico is ours now!!" Why not? because that's ridiculous and stupid, and makes no sense... but that's exactly what happened in Ukraine. We're in charge of all Ukraine now, and if you don't like it, then screw you. But that's not how things work in reality; never has been.

If the Neo-Ukrainian government had negotiated and settled with counter-revolutionaries; I would probably be like "okay, good for them" but instead, they appear to be greedy slimebags that have sucked the entire world into their stupid problems. America has it's own problems- we don't need Ukraine's problems... or Russia's problems... or really even Western Europe's problems, but I suppose after we are done fixing ourselves, we could smack some sense into our European allies... but this Ukraine thing is not our problem. They could have negotiated, and still can negotiate their way out of this.
America was justified to fight the Mexican American War. They came to save the Texans for one, which is why then after they defeated the insanely Mexican dictator they did not take all of Mexico. Texas then joined the USA, whereas before it had been a brief republic. Controversialyl the USA actually would help said insane Mexican dictator in his frequent ousters and returns to power, but meh, different subject.

Then in the case of Ukraine, it's the Russians who invaded Ukraine, don't fall for the Muscovites' lies and sorcery. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and again last year in 2022. Putin showed his hand last year, he threw it all on the table, his entire Satanic angle and motive; that all his wicked advisors convinced him of by the power of Satan that they were going to make Novo Rossiya in three days by brutally murdering their European brothers for a lie, but instead Jesus called their bluff and now Muscovy is cursed and will be thrown into hell.
 

Gideon300

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I'm not sure why anyone would promote giving any land to Mexico; that's just crazy. But since you brought up the Mexican-American wars, I was thinking today how this just reinforces something I mentioned earlier.

When the Tejanos and the Texans overthrew the local mexican government, and the Army of Texas captured Santa Anna, they weren't like "Okay, all of Mexico is ours now!!" Why not? because that's ridiculous and stupid, and makes no sense... but that's exactly what happened in Ukraine. We're in charge of all Ukraine now, and if you don't like it, then screw you. But that's not how things work in reality; never has been.

If the Neo-Ukrainian government had negotiated and settled with counter-revolutionaries; I would probably be like "okay, good for them" but instead, they appear to be greedy slimebags that have sucked the entire world into their stupid problems. America has it's own problems- we don't need Ukraine's problems... or Russia's problems... or really even Western Europe's problems, but I suppose after we are done fixing ourselves, we could smack some sense into our European allies... but this Ukraine thing is not our problem. They could have negotiated, and still can negotiate their way out of this.
NATO's concern is much broader than Ukraine. That's the real issue. Negotiate with Putin? That's another issue. He is a liar and deceiver. Many have forgotten the security guarantees given to Ukraine when they became independent. Did you know that Russia's most powerful nuke was designed and made in Ukraine? Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal on the understanding that they would be safe from Russian aggression. Ukraine also gave up its long range bombers to appease Russia. Bad moves all round. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. "Negotiation" means appeasement that will be a catastrophe for Ukraine and Europe.

The Antonov aircraft, used to ferry Soviet weapons and soldier to various wars, was designed and made in Ukraine also. Whatever Ukraine amy be, it it is not a backwater nation to be thrown to the Russian wolf like a bone to deflect its attention from the rest of Europe. Russia's "wolf" is turning out to be more poodle and the West should be thankful for Ukraine's willingness to fight. They are shedding their blood while the West supplies weapons, much of which is older stock pulled out of long term storage. With new weapons, the West gains real world knowledge of their effectiveness. That is priceless from a military standpoint.

The USSR fell apart. It was a brutal dictatorship for most of its existence. Ukraine had as much right to declare independence from Russia as America did from Britain. And they did not fire a shot to gain it. Crimea was handed over to Ukraine in the 50's by Kruschev, you know, the one who pushed the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Russia should have been pushed back in 2014. This current war was inevitable and entirely unnecessary.
 
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NATO's concern is much broader than Ukraine. That's the real issue. Negotiate with Putin? That's another issue. He is a liar and deceiver. Many have forgotten the security guarantees given to Ukraine when they became independent. Did you know that Russia's most powerful nuke was designed and made in Ukraine? Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal on the understanding that they would be safe from Russian aggression. Ukraine also gave up its long range bombers to appease Russia. Bad moves all round. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. "Negotiation" means appeasement that will be a catastrophe for Ukraine and Europe.

The Antonov aircraft, used to ferry Soviet weapons and soldier to various wars, was designed and made in Ukraine also. Whatever Ukraine amy be, it it is not a backwater nation to be thrown to the Russian wolf like a bone to deflect its attention from the rest of Europe. Russia's "wolf" is turning out to be more poodle and the West should be thankful for Ukraine's willingness to fight. They are shedding their blood while the West supplies weapons, much of which is older stock pulled out of long term storage. With new weapons, the West gains real world knowledge of their effectiveness. That is priceless from a military standpoint.

The USSR fell apart. It was a brutal dictatorship for most of its existence. Ukraine had as much right to declare independence from Russia as America did from Britain. And they did not fire a shot to gain it. Crimea was handed over to Ukraine in the 50's by Kruschev, you know, the one who pushed the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Russia should have been pushed back in 2014. This current war was inevitable and entirely unnecessary.
This correct totally!
 

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NATO's concern is much broader than Ukraine. That's the real issue. Negotiate with Putin? That's another issue. He is a liar and deceiver. Many have forgotten the security guarantees given to Ukraine when they became independent. Did you know that Russia's most powerful nuke was designed and made in Ukraine? Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal on the understanding that they would be safe from Russian aggression. Ukraine also gave up its long range bombers to appease Russia. Bad moves all round. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. "Negotiation" means appeasement that will be a catastrophe for Ukraine and Europe.

The Antonov aircraft, used to ferry Soviet weapons and soldier to various wars, was designed and made in Ukraine also. Whatever Ukraine amy be, it it is not a backwater nation to be thrown to the Russian wolf like a bone to deflect its attention from the rest of Europe. Russia's "wolf" is turning out to be more poodle and the West should be thankful for Ukraine's willingness to fight. They are shedding their blood while the West supplies weapons, much of which is older stock pulled out of long term storage. With new weapons, the West gains real world knowledge of their effectiveness. That is priceless from a military standpoint.

The USSR fell apart. It was a brutal dictatorship for most of its existence. Ukraine had as much right to declare independence from Russia as America did from Britain. And they did not fire a shot to gain it. Crimea was handed over to Ukraine in the 50's by Kruschev, you know, the one who pushed the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Russia should have been pushed back in 2014. This current war was inevitable and entirely unnecessary.
so , how about the agreement that american pres. bush sr. and russian pres. gorbachev in the early 90's. in which russia agreed to scale down it's nukes if nato did not expand any farther.

nato broke that agreement ( look at a map of it in '92 and look at it now), so russia began to rearm.

so, nato instigated this to begin with.


get some real history.
 

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A continuation of good news. The heroic Ukrainians are escalating the first phase of their counter-offensive to great effects and assets are being positioned. The wicked governor of Belgorod survives an assassination attempt by the good Russian partisans. Arms sent by the nation of Sweden are put to good use. US Senator Lindsey Graham goes to Kiev and meets with President Zelensky promising more aid and reaffirming America's commitment to Ukraine and appearing pleased with Ukraine's use of US aid. For bonus points the pagan nation of Iran, which is allied with the wicked Russian regime, comes under attack by the Taliban and have several of their border posts destroyed. A great quote here is that the young men of the Afghanistan wish for their elders to declare war on Iran as they believe that the Iranians have become effeminate, which is of course a big sin in both Islam and Christianity.
What the Afghans mean is that Iranians secretly (and to a degree openly) reject Islam. If any nation on earth should just shut up and attend to their own problems, it is Afghanistan. It is no coincidence that Afghanistan is dirt poor and routinely murders Christians. God's judgement abides on Afghanistan and will do so until they repent and leave the church alone.
 

Gideon300

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so , how about the agreement that american pres. bush sr. and russian pres. gorbachev in the early 90's. in which russia agreed to scale down it's nukes if nato did not expand any farther.

nato broke that agreement ( look at a map of it in '92 and look at it now), so russia began to rearm.

so, nato instigated this to begin with.


get some real history.
Your concept of history is long on rhetoric and short on facts. Never mind, you are entitled to your opinions. By the way, Putin has not invaded a NATO country. He dares not. That's why nations are clamouring to join. Take a look at the countries that Putin has attacked since taking control of Russia. I'd like to see the Russian federation collapse and Putin's ambitions be permanently crushed.
 
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What the Afghans mean is that Iranians secretly (and to a degree openly) reject Islam. If any nation on earth should just shut up and attend to their own problems, it is Afghanistan. It is no coincidence that Afghanistan is dirt poor and routinely murders Christians. God's judgement abides on Afghanistan and will do so until they repent and leave the church alone.
Well true, the damned Shia have in addition to being certifiably excommunicated and damned for being pagan muslims, are also hilariously apostates to Islam itself, but this is where the other damned and exommunicated Sunni fanatics are superior to them only, and wil crush the effeminate and wicked Iranian principality. Our God is so powerful he can even move the heathen to his purpose, he shall move them to punish Iran for allying with Russia. May it be so, the Ayatollah Death Cult Regime deserves its turn to die.
 
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This guy has a great channel. Great results and analysis from the earlier Ukraine counter-offensive missile attacks of the dark heart of evil Muscovy!