Religious bigots and your understanding

His Body held the Most High God...YOURS COULD NEVER DO THAT!

His Body could be TRANSFIGURED before DEATH and RESURRECTION...YOURS COULD NEVER DO THAT!

how does that make our bodies the SAME when we cannot do what His Body could?

this is a miss representation of what I said.

And I have no idea where your coming from.

so, you're only talking about heavenly bodies, nothing about earthly?

im saying for Jesus to take of immortality befor his incarnation into Mary,

What was immortality state befor hand.

He was already immortal since He has always been.
He has No Beginning nor End, He just IS.
it's an all together different aspect to how we can understand it.

yes but in what form.

1. A spiritual person distinct from the spiritual person of the father.

2 A spiritual person with a glorified Body distinct from the Father.

3 A word that had spirit but not yet manifested into a person distinct from the father.

4 Jesus was the father himself in the beginning.

5 Jesus was the father in the beginning but Jesus came to be after the word of the father manifested in to the son.

6 Jesus is a created being both fully God and Son and holy spirit.

7 from the begining Jesus the father and the holy spirit have always been 3 distinct persons in spiritual form.

8 from the beginning The father and the son have been immortal in spiritual form and bodily form.
But the holy spirit has always been the spiritual form.

what bothers me about John 1:1
WORD was with God and WORD was God is it shows 2, if this is the Beginning, where's a mention of a 3rd one.

some scholars have suggested the Bible is written in the 2nd person format. Speaking on ITSELF but talks like in Second Person Mode.

if John 1:1 was FACT, and Trinity is FACT, this VERSE should have clarified that.

so, i am still working this out because i don't Trust Man's Doctrine, and Trinity, even oneness, or anything is man made Doctrine.

Good luck with that one 😉

I did not say that . I said that He is not a "spiritual person" (as alleged by you) but that He is God. Do you agree or not? If not then you are in serious error. Of course Jesus is presently now in Heaven, and that is not the issue.

I don't agree with you no,

I started to months ago but ended up pulling my hair out and going nuts.

Besides you haven't provided any scripture to prove other wise.

All you've provided is an exaggeration of scripture.
To prove your understanding.

And throwing out blanket statements that Jesus is God to prove he's not a spiritual person in heaven. Is rather intimidating.

? Are you ok fundamental

You dont have to pull out your hair...God knows every hair on your head

In revelation its revealed son Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father. Hes not a baby anymore so not in His lap but He has all the authority as son and heir.

see Revelation 3:21
and Acts 7:55

the original OP
God will reveal to us in His timing what we need to know and His thoughts are not our thoughts - He can conceal a matter because Hes God he doesnt have to tell us all at once

I think those who condemn others for their ignorance or not knowing are cruel and unforgiving. If anyone here has children or ever taught the young you know they are not born with knowing absolutely everything. Yes sometimes people are quick to believe lies or can be deluded but this is why its on us to tell the truth and administer grace to those who dont have it..if they are humble enough to receive it.

No one should be condemned for being ignorant. But since the Bible says repeatedly "I would not have you to be ignorant" it means that every Christian has a solemn duty to move on from ignorance, laziness, negligence, or indifference, to see what is written in Scripture. With the abundance of free bibles online as well as free Bible study tools, Christians should all be fully equipped with the truth.

Somewhat classist in that there are still many people who cannot have access to the Internet.

I cannot believe in the trinity friends...Jesus is still the father and the Holy Spirit

That's what trinity is now, but understanding what the trinity was in the begining, is something I can't understand.

To be honest when you think about it even if the trinity was spiritual word that hadn't fully manifested until later,
Maybe you could still call it the trinity back then in the beginning one verse springs to mind.

which is this
Genesis 11.7

Come, let’s go down and
confuse the people with different languages. Then they won’t be able to understand each other.”

who is us in this passage ?.

it looks like distinct persons of the trinity to me.

Genesis 11.7
Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.

this is how i know you have no idea how to understand and interpret God's Word.

God has 8 Councils and we have access to them all.

Deuteronomy shows us that God took Israel and handed the Other nations to the WATCHERS, Angels in Charge of overseeing a Nation and bringing that Nation to submission to God.

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of the Most High,
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

But we had a Revolt, a WAR in Heaven, and all of the Nations ended up attacking Israel.


you read a sentence like joe and others played kick ball.
you see others and think persons of God.

Nope, this is what they are:

A Psalm of Asaph.
82
God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:

PROOF these Councils are One Person of GOD and His ANGELS:

6 I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
7 nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”
^

2 things here:

1. Notice God calls them SONS of the MOST HIGH and PRINCE: [in Daniel, Daniel calls Gabriel and Michael Prince and Gabriel calls Satan Prince] [ANGELS are a PRINCE

2. men are already GOING TO DIE like MEN [but GOD tells these ANGELS] nevertheless, like men you shall die


i don't want to really get into this because NO ONE in this THREAD is this DEEP in KNOWLEDGE.

you just keep believing every group scenario is the Trinity, i will just continue KNOWING the TRUTH!

now, Fundaamental


time to really flip your lid:

THIS IS SO IMPORTANT GOD MENTIONS IT TWICE IN THE BIBLE:

I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left;
^
what do we see here?

ALL OF HEAVEN GATHERED IN ONE PLACE

so, why is there ONLY ONE PERSON OF GOD IF ALL OF HEAVEN IS HERE?

SHOULDN"T THERE BE THREE PERSONS?

That's false

It means he's claiming to be God.

Yes, Jesus was with the Father in the beginning and is equal to the Father but has a different role, the role of being the atoning sacrifice for all of humanity, including you. Have you accepted this?

No, Jesus is His name, and Christ is His divine title of Messiah. You can translate it to Jesus Messiah. He died on the cross to take the penalty of our sins so we can live in eternity in heaven. Does that appeal to you?

Great question.

The Father's role in the Trinity is similar to that of a father in a traditional household. In fact, the Bible is where we get this concept. Therefore, the role of the Father is to create all things, including all children, and is the divine authority. When Jesus says that the Father keeps the children, that's because he holds the divine title to the heavenly kingdom. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit do as well, as well all do when we give our lives to Christ. Have you gotten around to doing this yet? If not, why?

The role of Jesus is to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins. And even if it is a different role, He is equal to the Father. Remember all those miracles He performed during his ministry on Earth?

The Holy Spirit is equal to the Father as well. He is a divine person of the trinity and performs the role of comforter, intercessor, and teacher.