Va and I had a lovely conversation in private, I hope you don't mind me mentioning that brother. While still have our same ideas, we have lots in common. I don't know who all this "discussion" here benefits. I have no doubt that CC was started with the best of intentions. But most here, if we took a poll, my guess most have their minds made up and been on the road for many years. I doubt there are many new believers here and they certainly aren't the majority. So all we're doing is arguing the same points till Jesus comes. So really who does any of this benefit?
Religious bigots and your understanding
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Va and I had a lovely conversation in private, I hope you don't mind me mentioning that brother. While still have our same ideas, we have lots in common. I don't know who all this "discussion" here benefits. I have no doubt that CC was started with the best of intentions. But most here, if we took a poll, my guess most have their minds made up and been on the road for many years. I doubt there are many new believers here and they certainly aren't the majority. So all we're doing is arguing the same points till Jesus comes. So really who does any of this benefit?
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Just need the same Bible version thats all, and most KJVs will have the extra english words in italics and also words of Christ in red.
It isnt swine flu its just the language in translation
Hebrew has always been a very discrete language, every word counts, but English can be flowery and some translators can get carried away with all the variations and nuances of English, but the beauty of English is that is adaptable and it has lots of loan words from other langauges especially for the nouns but sometimes for verbs
For example we dont say repent and be immersed, or submerged, or dipped or washed or bathed or drowned...we say baptised because thats the greek word for it in the new testament. Its become a very specific verb.
anyway, I think ppl arguing over the trinity (three in one) because the word TRINITY isnt in the Bible may have to look up words in the dictionary to find the meaning. And then read the examples given in the Bible. Not get hung up over just one word they unfamiliar with
Just need the same Bible version thats all, and most KJVs will have the extra english words in italics and also words of Christ in red.
It isnt swine flu its just the language in translation
Hebrew has always been a very discrete language, every word counts, but English can be flowery and some translators can get carried away with all the variations and nuances of English, but the beauty of English is that is adaptable and it has lots of loan words from other langauges especially for the nouns but sometimes for verbs
For example we dont say repent and be immersed, or submerged, or dipped or washed or bathed or drowned...we say baptised because thats the greek word for it in the new testament. Its become a very specific verb.
anyway, I think ppl arguing over the trinity (three in one) because the word TRINITY isnt in the Bible may have to look up words in the dictionary to find the meaning. And then read the examples given in the Bible. Not get hung up over just one word they unfamiliar with
The irish couldnt really grasp the trinity until St Patrick sort of explained it by showing them a shamrock ..it has three leaflets (not a four leaf clover)
Not saying God is represented by a shamrock but the concept of who God is and the way He works
Others say God is this way the Father has the son inside Him and the Holy Spirit joins them together ?..and they are One
Ok like most people understand marriage is two people becoming one right? Or if you pregnant, theres two people in one body...though the spirit would be present in both of them.
This might be how I explain it to a child.
Not saying God is represented by a shamrock but the concept of who God is and the way He works
Others say God is this way the Father has the son inside Him and the Holy Spirit joins them together ?..and they are One
Ok like most people understand marriage is two people becoming one right? Or if you pregnant, theres two people in one body...though the spirit would be present in both of them.
This might be how I explain it to a child.
hmm VA has been banned
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You cant explain the resurrection as 'pigs might fly' thats misrepresnting who Jesus is. We know Jesus couldnt do anything without the Holy Spirit empowering Him...but then we have the opposite thinkers who try and deny that Jesus came in the flesh which is probably a lot worse than those insisting that Jesus is God and actually forgetting His humanity.
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You cant explain the resurrection as 'pigs might fly' thats misrepresnting who Jesus is. We know Jesus couldnt do anything without the Holy Spirit empowering Him...but then we have the opposite thinkers who try and deny that Jesus came in the flesh which is probably a lot worse than those insisting that Jesus is God and actually forgetting His humanity.
seriously consider what you have just thought,
Firstly I used the term pigs might fly in regards
To every one singing out of the same hymnbook, which was totally nothing to do with the trinity, or the importance of Jesus.
You said Jesus had to be empowered by the holy spirit before he could do anything.
Which makes suggestion Jesus was born a type of Adam.
Also it makes Suggestion Jesus may not of known he was God,
Where does that leave us.
The word that was with God manifested it's self in to Flesh like with Adam.
But what Flesh.
Flesh of both mind body and soul.
Jesus had to be born a man like Adam in order for sin to be conquered.
God had to take of immortality for Sin to be beaten.
All tho Does Scripture actually say Jesus was holy spirit filled befor his crucifixion.
Firstly I used the term pigs might fly in regards
To every one singing out of the same hymnbook, which was totally nothing to do with the trinity, or the importance of Jesus.
You said Jesus had to be empowered by the holy spirit before he could do anything.
Which makes suggestion Jesus was born a type of Adam.
Also it makes Suggestion Jesus may not of known he was God,
Where does that leave us.
The word that was with God manifested it's self in to Flesh like with Adam.
But what Flesh.
Flesh of both mind body and soul.
Jesus had to be born a man like Adam in order for sin to be conquered.
God had to take of immortality for Sin to be beaten.
All tho Does Scripture actually say Jesus was holy spirit filled befor his crucifixion.
i am tired of the trinity debate, actually. there's ways to prove and disprove and then that requires how one chooses to see it. but let's just use the TERM GOD:
GOD, sent His Holy Spirit who some way / not sexual planted the SEED that is the WORD made Flesh.
Jesus, the WORD, is born with the Holy Spirit and the Father already inside Him.
He uses the Holy Spirit to Cast out Demons [story of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit in Matthew], maybe Miracles too, but the Father is doing the talking for Him [Father living inside Jesus doing the Works - John 14], while on His Throne in Heaven.
so, when we think about ALL of that ^
then we look at the Old Testament and we see the WORD as Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE....we are seeing God working same way as we see in Old Testament.
just by NAMES only : WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH, Father, Holy Spirit < looks like lots of godsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...but we know it is ONLY ONE GOD.
so, if someone wants to believe God is ONE but can be ALL of These Others, i don't see the real issue any more.
GOD, sent His Holy Spirit who some way / not sexual planted the SEED that is the WORD made Flesh.
Jesus, the WORD, is born with the Holy Spirit and the Father already inside Him.
He uses the Holy Spirit to Cast out Demons [story of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit in Matthew], maybe Miracles too, but the Father is doing the talking for Him [Father living inside Jesus doing the Works - John 14], while on His Throne in Heaven.
so, when we think about ALL of that ^
then we look at the Old Testament and we see the WORD as Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE....we are seeing God working same way as we see in Old Testament.
just by NAMES only : WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH, Father, Holy Spirit < looks like lots of godsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...but we know it is ONLY ONE GOD.
so, if someone wants to believe God is ONE but can be ALL of These Others, i don't see the real issue any more.
I don't see why you would be tired of talking about the trinity, maybe that's an exaggeration on your part, If Jesus was filled with the holy spirit from birth then how did his flesh conquer sin.
Or how could Have Jesus been a second Adam.
Because that would mean Adam was born with the holy spirit and Christians could lose there salvation.
Christians have the holy spirit but there flesh can't conquer sin.
Or how could Have Jesus been a second Adam.
Because that would mean Adam was born with the holy spirit and Christians could lose there salvation.
Christians have the holy spirit but there flesh can't conquer sin.
if Matthew 28:19 NAME of Father-Son-Holy Spirit...is the SAME ONE NAME
and if WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH...is Preincarnate Jesus...so ALL of THESE have ONE SAME NAME
and that means if WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH + Father-Son-Holy Spirit = ALL HAVE THE SAME ONE NAME
that means the ONE NAME is GOD!
so, it's the SAME!
Jesus is the GREAT GOD [love how Paul put it] of the ENTIRE BIBLE!
and if WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH...is Preincarnate Jesus...so ALL of THESE have ONE SAME NAME
and that means if WORD, Elohim, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, Yahweh, I AM TO BE, MESSIAH + Father-Son-Holy Spirit = ALL HAVE THE SAME ONE NAME
that means the ONE NAME is GOD!
so, it's the SAME!
Jesus is the GREAT GOD [love how Paul put it] of the ENTIRE BIBLE!
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just saying the actual word 'trinity' is not in the Bible just like the word 'monopoly' isnt in the Bible.
Jesus had the holy spirit from conception (just like John his cousin) but he was also flesh and blood like us though He came from heaven...He was Gods son though Joseph was actually his earthly father, Jesus had a Heavenly Father. Jesus was born to Mary...Adam was not born he was created from the dust of the earth
you can read
1 Corinthians 15-49
just saying the actual word 'trinity' is not in the Bible just like the word 'monopoly' isnt in the Bible.
Jesus had the holy spirit from conception (just like John his cousin) but he was also flesh and blood like us though He came from heaven...He was Gods son though Joseph was actually his earthly father, Jesus had a Heavenly Father. Jesus was born to Mary...Adam was not born he was created from the dust of the earth
you can read
1 Corinthians 15-49
We dont really call God the Father Jesus senior and God the son Jesus junior though if they have the same name, those who are born again call him Abba meaning Father
We can call Jesus Lord though. Though not everyone who says Lord Lord is saved...born again christians have a more famlial relationship with Jesus than a transactional one
We can call Jesus Lord though. Though not everyone who says Lord Lord is saved...born again christians have a more famlial relationship with Jesus than a transactional one
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