Religious bigots and your understanding
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Jesus said Before Abraham WAS, "I AM ." John 8:58-59
Peter 1:11
seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
Romans 8:9
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
my interpretation of the trinity before today has always been Three distinct persons in the trinity has always been in existence from the beginning and Jesus was born holy spirit indwelled.
I'm not going down the road of believing what anyone else thinks anymore I'm totally confused.
The old testament speaks of the holy spirit being upon people and a son being born on earth from heaven.
Scripture say Jesus was with God in the beginning and it says the word was God.
Two distinct references.
So when Jesus says before Abraham I am, shouldn't that mean he was Jesus too befor Abraham
I'm not going down the road of believing what anyone else thinks anymore I'm totally confused.
The old testament speaks of the holy spirit being upon people and a son being born on earth from heaven.
Scripture say Jesus was with God in the beginning and it says the word was God.
Two distinct references.
So when Jesus says before Abraham I am, shouldn't that mean he was Jesus too befor Abraham
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God, being the Creator of ALL things, is the Father of ALL things.
But there's 2 ways God is a Father, by Creation and through the Spirit Realm.
God has Chosen the Spirit Realm to connect with us [us in Him and Him in us]
But God is SPIRIT.
SPIRIT cannot come to Earth and DIE for us.
SPIRIT wrapped in FLESH can and MAKE APPEARANCES all throughout the entire Bible Old/New Testaments + Die for us.
This is why the NAME is the SAME.
it is ONE and SAME GOD in 2 forms [Spirit/Flesh] providing Salvation.
and then the SPIRIT of GOD lives inside of us.
it's a TRIFECTA AFFECT!
that's how we get Trinity.
God, being the Creator of ALL things, is the Father of ALL things.
But there's 2 ways God is a Father, by Creation and through the Spirit Realm.
God has Chosen the Spirit Realm to connect with us [us in Him and Him in us]
But God is SPIRIT.
SPIRIT cannot come to Earth and DIE for us.
SPIRIT wrapped in FLESH can and MAKE APPEARANCES all throughout the entire Bible Old/New Testaments + Die for us.
This is why the NAME is the SAME.
it is ONE and SAME GOD in 2 forms [Spirit/Flesh] providing Salvation.
and then the SPIRIT of GOD lives inside of us.
it's a TRIFECTA AFFECT!
that's how we get Trinity.
Well I don't understand why Adam was not born with the holy spirit.
Or why he was punished for sin.
Christians sin have the holy spirit but are still alive in the holy spirit.
Jesus concerned sin because he had the holy spirit indwelled in him.
Do you think Jesus could have conquered sin if he was just a man ?.
So if the trinity has always been in the sense I believe which is the son the father and the spirit have been 3 distinct persons from the beginning, then I must be wrong.
Other wise there no reason why Adam shouldn't have been born with the holy spirit I can see.
Because Jesus a man was born with the holy spirit.
Or why he was punished for sin.
Christians sin have the holy spirit but are still alive in the holy spirit.
Jesus concerned sin because he had the holy spirit indwelled in him.
Do you think Jesus could have conquered sin if he was just a man ?.
So if the trinity has always been in the sense I believe which is the son the father and the spirit have been 3 distinct persons from the beginning, then I must be wrong.
Other wise there no reason why Adam shouldn't have been born with the holy spirit I can see.
Because Jesus a man was born with the holy spirit.
af·fect1
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- have an effect on; make a difference to.
touch the feelings of (someone); move emotionally.
i use AFFECT because the TRIFECTA or TRIUNE AFFECT God has on a Soul and the Life can basically be defined by AFFECT:
1. God causes: to have an effect on; make a difference to
2. God: Touches the feelings of (someone);
3. God moves us: emotionally.
I am not trying to get you to believe what I say as I have said the Divine Nature of God is a Mystery. Human minds can not fully Understand. The creation doesn't get to choose what the Creator must be revealed as.
THe Eternal Godhead are seen in scripture as three distinct persons. I believe you are correct in that understanding. YET I can't fully understand it. Nor am I able to fully explain it. I am limited
I will Let God be God, and Jesus Be God and the Holy Spirit Be God and all yet are ONE.
All Three have personality
All Three have emotion
All three have names
All three are seen in the scripture
All Three are seen doing things unique to themselves.
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@VARob was banned.
While I totally understand the banning I was hoping to try one more time.
But most likely he would refute whatever was offered.
Seems to me the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth would affirm Christ as God and man at the very start of one's Christian journey.
I hope he goes back to scripture with an open mind and comes to the authentic Christ who walked this earth as God incarnate.
It is an essential doctrine I think.
While I totally understand the banning I was hoping to try one more time.
But most likely he would refute whatever was offered.
Seems to me the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth would affirm Christ as God and man at the very start of one's Christian journey.
I hope he goes back to scripture with an open mind and comes to the authentic Christ who walked this earth as God incarnate.
It is an essential doctrine I think.
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Yes exactly how I feel.
It was proposed that what I believed about the trinity was not real months ago.
Which I cared not to question back then, because of how you feal
I did question it briefly because it turned into a discernment about reincarnation.
My understanding is Jesus was a spiritual person in heaven who God incarnated into Mary.
And how you could explain how reincarnation could work.
I can't believe just the word became flesh, I have to believe both the word and Jesus became flesh.
Its the only way I can rationalise all of the scripture of Jesus talking to the father in spirit.
It was proposed that what I believed about the trinity was not real months ago.
Which I cared not to question back then, because of how you feal
I did question it briefly because it turned into a discernment about reincarnation.
My understanding is Jesus was a spiritual person in heaven who God incarnated into Mary.
And how you could explain how reincarnation could work.
I can't believe just the word became flesh, I have to believe both the word and Jesus became flesh.
Its the only way I can rationalise all of the scripture of Jesus talking to the father in spirit.
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each time, the WORD made flesh spoke to the Father, what was He doing while Speaking to the Father?
Praying!
have you ever paid attention to what He was praying for?
we can say the Same Prayers, like the Lord's Prayer He taught to the Disciples [Our Father, WHO ART in Heaven].
God in the Flesh, literally taught all of us morons how to Properly and Effectively Pray.
so, it's a good thing we have these examples and Prayers.
Why?
They Work!
Praying!
have you ever paid attention to what He was praying for?
we can say the Same Prayers, like the Lord's Prayer He taught to the Disciples [Our Father, WHO ART in Heaven].
God in the Flesh, literally taught all of us morons how to Properly and Effectively Pray.
so, it's a good thing we have these examples and Prayers.
Why?
They Work!
Adam wasnt born, he was created
Adam was made from dust of the earth and then God breathed life into Adam. He became a living soul. He disobeyed God that was his sin. He walked with God in the garden, talked with Him but didnt listen to Him he listened to his wife Eve instead, who told him he was naked.
Jesus obeyed God in everything He listened to God, Jesus died for OUR sins on our behalf...Jesus was sinless
Adam was made from dust of the earth and then God breathed life into Adam. He became a living soul. He disobeyed God that was his sin. He walked with God in the garden, talked with Him but didnt listen to Him he listened to his wife Eve instead, who told him he was naked.
Jesus obeyed God in everything He listened to God, Jesus died for OUR sins on our behalf...Jesus was sinless
just being silly here because this is where this exists at.
But i have heard, Jesus would not be Praying to Himself, that is skitzo!
Amen!
I agree!
but but but but but but...Jesus said, everything He does and says is the Father, living inside Him, doing.
ok, does that now mean the Father is Praying to Himself?
somewhere, we just know, Jesus Prayed, and we are to be Praying like Jesus did!
You "can't" believe or you "won't" believe? So here is what the Bible reveals. Believe it.
1. JESUS WAS NOT "A SPIRITUAL PERSON".
2. JESUS WAS (AND IS) THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD.
3. JESUS IS ALSO CALLED "THE WORD". THESE ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.
4. THEREFORE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT "THE WORD WAS GOD".
5. "THE WORD BECAME FLESH" SIMPLY MEANS THAT GOD TOOK UPON HIMSELF HUMANITY.
6. THEREFORE JESUS WAS NOT "INCARNATED INTO MARY".
7. HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. AND HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN.
But why all caps? So that this matter is clear in your mind once and for all .
1. JESUS WAS NOT "A SPIRITUAL PERSON".
2. JESUS WAS (AND IS) THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD.
3. JESUS IS ALSO CALLED "THE WORD". THESE ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.
4. THEREFORE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT "THE WORD WAS GOD".
5. "THE WORD BECAME FLESH" SIMPLY MEANS THAT GOD TOOK UPON HIMSELF HUMANITY.
6. THEREFORE JESUS WAS NOT "INCARNATED INTO MARY".
7. HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. AND HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN.
But why all caps? So that this matter is clear in your mind once and for all .
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The physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus is foundational to Christian doctrine and our hope of heaven. Because Jesus rose from the dead with a physical body, every Christian has the guarantee of his own bodily resurrection (John 5:21, 28; Romans 8:23). Now Jesus is in heaven, where He is pictured as sitting in a place of authority, at the right hand of God (1 Peter 3:22). But is Jesus’ body in heaven the same as His body on earth?
The Bible is clear that Jesus’ body was resurrected. The tomb was empty. He was recognizable to those who knew Him. Jesus showed Himself to all His disciples after His resurrection, and more than five hundred people were eyewitnesses to His earthly, post-resurrection presence (1 Corinthians 15:4–6). In Luke 24:16, on the road to Emmaus, two of Jesus’ disciples “were kept from recognizing [Jesus].” However, later, “their eyes were opened and they recognized Him” (verse 31). It’s not that Jesus was unrecognizable; it’s that, for a time, the disciples were supernaturally restrained from recognizing Him.
Later in the same chapter of Luke, Christ makes it plain to His disciples that He does have a physical body; He is not a disembodied spirit: “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). After spending forty days with His disciples, Jesus ascended bodily into heaven (Acts 1:9). Jesus is still human, and He has a human body in heaven right now. His body is different, however; earthly human flesh is perishable, but heavenly bodies are imperishable (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus has a physical body, with a difference. His resurrected body is designed with eternity in view.
First Corinthians 15:35–49 describes what the body of the believer will be like in heaven. Our heavenly bodies will differ from our earthly ones in type of flesh, in splendor, in power, and in longevity. The apostle Paul also states that the believer’s body will be an image of Christ’s body (verse 49). Paul discusses this subject again in 2 Corinthians, where he compares earthly bodies to tents and heavenly bodies to heavenly dwellings (2 Corinthians 5:1–2). Paul says that, once the earthly tents come off, Christians will not be left “naked”—that is, without a body to live in (2 Corinthians 5:3). When the new body is “put on,” we will go from mortality to immortality (2 Corinthians 5:4).
So, we know that the Christian will have a heavenly body like Jesus’ “glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). At His incarnation Jesus took on human flesh, and at His resurrection His body was glorified—although He retained the scars (John 20:27). He will forever be the God-Man, sacrificed for us. Christ, the Creator of the universe, will forever stoop to our level, and He will be known to us in heaven in a tangible form that we can see, hear, and touch (Revelation 21:3–4; 22:4).
The Bible is clear that Jesus’ body was resurrected. The tomb was empty. He was recognizable to those who knew Him. Jesus showed Himself to all His disciples after His resurrection, and more than five hundred people were eyewitnesses to His earthly, post-resurrection presence (1 Corinthians 15:4–6). In Luke 24:16, on the road to Emmaus, two of Jesus’ disciples “were kept from recognizing [Jesus].” However, later, “their eyes were opened and they recognized Him” (verse 31). It’s not that Jesus was unrecognizable; it’s that, for a time, the disciples were supernaturally restrained from recognizing Him.
Later in the same chapter of Luke, Christ makes it plain to His disciples that He does have a physical body; He is not a disembodied spirit: “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). After spending forty days with His disciples, Jesus ascended bodily into heaven (Acts 1:9). Jesus is still human, and He has a human body in heaven right now. His body is different, however; earthly human flesh is perishable, but heavenly bodies are imperishable (1 Corinthians 15:50). Jesus has a physical body, with a difference. His resurrected body is designed with eternity in view.
First Corinthians 15:35–49 describes what the body of the believer will be like in heaven. Our heavenly bodies will differ from our earthly ones in type of flesh, in splendor, in power, and in longevity. The apostle Paul also states that the believer’s body will be an image of Christ’s body (verse 49). Paul discusses this subject again in 2 Corinthians, where he compares earthly bodies to tents and heavenly bodies to heavenly dwellings (2 Corinthians 5:1–2). Paul says that, once the earthly tents come off, Christians will not be left “naked”—that is, without a body to live in (2 Corinthians 5:3). When the new body is “put on,” we will go from mortality to immortality (2 Corinthians 5:4).
So, we know that the Christian will have a heavenly body like Jesus’ “glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). At His incarnation Jesus took on human flesh, and at His resurrection His body was glorified—although He retained the scars (John 20:27). He will forever be the God-Man, sacrificed for us. Christ, the Creator of the universe, will forever stoop to our level, and He will be known to us in heaven in a tangible form that we can see, hear, and touch (Revelation 21:3–4; 22:4).
yes, the physical body of Jesus is like ours and yet very different than ours.
He was able to Transfigure in the Body before the Resurrection.
so, you just cannot point blank use a blanket statement that our bodies and His was the Same.
first of ALL, the MOST HIGH GOD, was able to live in His Body, where it's impossible to do that in ours without first being Adopted as Heirs.
so, you're really not just missing the Mark here, but completely and irrationally missing the facts and how to interpret those facts.
a TYPE of, pertaining to a body, does not mean, it's the Same all the way around.
He was able to Transfigure in the Body before the Resurrection.
so, you just cannot point blank use a blanket statement that our bodies and His was the Same.
first of ALL, the MOST HIGH GOD, was able to live in His Body, where it's impossible to do that in ours without first being Adopted as Heirs.
so, you're really not just missing the Mark here, but completely and irrationally missing the facts and how to interpret those facts.
a TYPE of, pertaining to a body, does not mean, it's the Same all the way around.
you can not either point blank make something mean something else.
Jesus took on human form
But rose in his own form.
Do you believe that Jesus is a person in heaven
If you don't then prove it with scripture.
As I have,
you and others are suggesting Jesus is just a word made flesh.
No he took of immortality and rose with immortality. The same type of immortality befor his incarnation. Whether that was is spiritual form or bodily form.
Jesus took on human form
But rose in his own form.
Do you believe that Jesus is a person in heaven
If you don't then prove it with scripture.
As I have,
you and others are suggesting Jesus is just a word made flesh.
No he took of immortality and rose with immortality. The same type of immortality befor his incarnation. Whether that was is spiritual form or bodily form.