Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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reneweddaybyday said:
:rolleyes: ... if they are "already Justified", there is no need for them to repent in order to receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit..
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Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”

He is Yahhusa/Jesus preaching repentance to those who already follow HIm:

Revelation 2:4-5, “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love.“So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.”
 
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Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”

He is Yahhusa/Jesus preaching repentance to those who already follow HIm:
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Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

So Peter spoke "to those who already follow Him" ... yet about 3,000 were added ... just sayin'
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Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

So Peter spoke "to those who already follow Him" ... yet about 3,000 were added ... just sayin'
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They clearly agreed with his preaching!

But those were just getting baptized, Here is Yahhusa/Jesus preaching repentance to those who already follow HIm:

Revelation 2:4-5, “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love.“So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.”
 
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They clearly agreed with his preaching!

But those were just getting baptized
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In Acts 2, Peter spoke to Jews who had come to the temple in Jerusalem on Day of Pentecost (one of the feasts where males were to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose (Deut 16:16). This was the initial outpouring of Holy Spirit promised:

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

The Lord Jesus Christ had instructed His apostles and disciples to ...

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Day of Pentecost was the promise of the Father spoken of by the Lord Jesus Christ. And this outpouring occurred on a day when the temple would be filled with Jews from all over (Acts 2:9-11). What a blessing!!!




SpeakTruth101 said:
Here is Yahhusa/Jesus preaching repentance to those who already follow HIm:

Revelation 2:4-5, “But I hold this against you, that you have left your first love.“So remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the first works, or else I shall come to you speedily and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.”
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In Revelation 2:4, it is clear that the believers had turned from Him ... they left [their] first love. The Lord Jesus Christ is calling believers back to do the first works ... not that they needed to be born again.

In Revelation 1:20, we are told that the lampstand refers to the church:

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

We know from Paul's writings that the church at Ephesus was filled with believers who were faithful in Christ Jesus (Eph 1:1). The spiritual truth revealed in the letter to the Ephesians attests to their faithfulness.

The warning in Revelation to the church as Ephesus could just as well be written to churches in our day and time.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary​
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remove thy candlestick out of his place—I will take away the Church from Ephesus and remove it elsewhere. "It is removal of the candlestick, not extinction of the candle, which is threatened here; judgment for some, but that very judgment the occasion of mercy for others. So it has been. The seat of the Church has been changed, but the Church itself survives​
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So you only accept Paul's writings? Not Jesus or His 12 disciples?

So Gentiles have no need to repent? They can walk in sin? Or do Gentiles need to repent also?
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Don't know what you talking about you starting a rabbit trail
 
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the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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You are in unbelief
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
:rolleyes: ... if they are "already Justified", there is no need for them to repent in order to receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit.





:rolleyes: ... Peter was standing before the high priest and the council in Acts 5 ...

and brightfame52, "give" in Acts 5:31 is the Greek word didōmi

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6. δίδωμι is joined with nouns denoting an act or an effect​
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b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναιτίνι μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;γνῶσινσωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τίνι, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.​


and if we continue reading ...

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him

... interesting you refuse to include vs 32 in your erroneous rendering of Acts 5:31.
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You still in unbelief
 
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Don't know what you talking about you starting a rabbit trail
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No they are questions, I used words to ask you a question

So you only accept Paul's writings? Not Jesus or His 12 disciples?

So Gentiles have no need to repent? They can walk in sin? Or do Gentiles need to repent also?
 
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You are in unbelief
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You still in unbelief
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your fallacious ad hominem responses are duly noted ... rather than respond to the points made, you attack the person. Folks use this fallacious technique due to their inability to refute the central point.




The light of Scripture has exposed your error ...


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Christ has given them repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Peter is specifically preaching to a people called the house of Israel
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:rolleyes: ... Peter was standing before the high priest and the council in Acts 5 ...

and brightfame52, "give" in Acts 5:31 is the Greek word didōmi

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:​
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6. δίδωμι is joined with nouns denoting an act or an effect​
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b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναιτίνι μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;γνῶσινσωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τίνι, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.​


and if we continue reading ...

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him

... interesting you refuse to include vs 32 in your erroneous rendering of Acts 5:31.
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SpeakTruth101 said:
No they are questions, I used words to ask you a question

So you only accept Paul's writings? Not Jesus or His 12 disciples?

So Gentiles have no need to repent? They can walk in sin? Or do Gentiles need to repent also?
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Rabbit trails come in forms of question. My efforts are showing how God Justifies the ungodly by and through the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
your fallacious ad hominem responses are duly noted ... rather than respond to the points made, you attack the person. Folks use this fallacious technique due to their inability to refute the central point.




The light of Scripture has exposed your error ...



:rolleyes: ... Peter was standing before the high priest and the council in Acts 5 ...

and brightfame52, "give" in Acts 5:31 is the Greek word didōmi

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:​
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6. δίδωμι is joined with nouns denoting an act or an effect​
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b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναιτίνι μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18;γνῶσινσωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τίνι, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.​


and if we continue reading ...

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him

... interesting you refuse to include vs 32 in your erroneous rendering of Acts 5:31.
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You are in unbelief.
 
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Rabbit trails come in forms of question. My efforts are showing how God Justifies the ungodly by and through the Lord Jesus Christ.
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These questions are dealing with the topic, it's to understand you view of justification and who preaches properly.

You said Peter was preaching specificaly to Israel, so this is part tof the conversation, to understand ou view of verses I posted you cast aside, I am asking:

Do you only accept Paul's writings and not Jesus or His 12 disciples?

Do Gentiles have a need to repent? or can they walk in sin and still be saved?
 
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These questions are dealing with the topic, it's to understand you view of justification and who preaches properly.

You said Peter was preaching specificaly to Israel, so this is part tof the conversation, to understand ou view of verses I posted you cast aside, I am asking:

Do you only accept Paul's writings and not Jesus or His 12 disciples?

Do Gentiles have a need to repent? or can they walk in sin and still be saved?
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Like I said, rabbit trail. You may want to read my previous posts to see how they deal with the topic.
 
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Like I said, rabbit trail. You may want to read my previous posts to see how they deal with the topic.
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Not confident in your answer?

Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”
 
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You said Peter was preaching specificaly to Israel, so this is part tof the conversation, to understand ou view of verses I posted you cast aside, I am asking:
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Yes, read what he said Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

At this time Peter was ignorant to the gentile inclusion, God convinced him of that later in Acts 10. And besides that, the people in Acts 2 whom he was preaching at, they were Justified by the blood of Christ and had been quickened by the Spirit!
 
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SpeakTruth101 said:
Not confident in your answer?

Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”
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Peter was speaking to Justified, quickened jews at that time. However God was going to call Justified, quickened gentiles like Cornelius Acts 10
 
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SpeakTruth101 said:
Not confident in your answer?

Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”
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No you arent confident in my answer, thats on you
 
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Yes, read what he said Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

At this time Peter was ignorant to the gentile inclusion, God convinced him of that later in Acts 10. And besides that, the people in Acts 2 whom he was preaching at, they were Justified by the blood of Christ and had been quickened by the Spirit!
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SO the message does not change, that is why I asked you what you thought. It's the same message for the Israeli as the Gentile...

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

Luke 24:45-47,Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim.

same message to all.
 
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SO the message does not change, that is why I asked you what you thought. It's the same message for the Israeli as the Gentile...

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

Luke 24:45-47,Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim.

same message to all.
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Who did Peter specifically mention in Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Also these people were already forgiven and saved, regenerated, their question to Peter gave evidence that the Holy Spirit had powerfully worked in their heart.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Who did Peter specifically mention in Acts 2:36

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Also these people were already forgiven and saved, regenerated, their question to Peter gave evidence that the Holy Spirit had powerfully worked in their heart.
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Does not change the doctrine.

Luke 24:45-47,Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim.
 
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