Who Justifieth the Ungodly

... nope ... here is an example:

SpeakTruth101 submitted Post 3934:



brightfame52 reply in Post 3936:



reneweddaybyday response in Post 3945:



brightfame52 response in Post 3949:



... which is your typical response when someone responds to your erroneous dogma with the truth of Scripture.

and it was at this point that I pointed out your poor debate tactics in using ad hominem attacks rather than engaging in meaningful discussion.

Your ad hominem attacks are your standard MO when I or anyone else tests your dogma by submitting Scripture to which your erroneous dogma does not align.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error. I have explained this to you many, many times.


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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I think the sooner we realize we cannot hide anything from God, the better ... just go to Him, come clean, He promises to abundantly pardon. I love Psalm 103:

Psalm 103:

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

6 The LORD executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.

20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

21 Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

22 Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.
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I love it! I want to build upon this truth you speak!

Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Elohim is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”

Jeremiah 23:23-24, 23 “Am I an Elohim close by,” declares יהוה, “and not an Elohim afar off? 24 “If anyone is hidden in secret places, would I not see him?” declares יהוה. “Do I not fill the heavens and earth?” declares יהוה.

Jeremiah 16:17, 17 “For My eyes are on all their ways; they have not been hidden from My face, nor has their crookedness been hidden from My eyes."

1 John 1:9, 9 If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

I’m not saying there is a “magical” way to pray but Scripture and history seem to record those of the Way of YHWH did pray with their palms open, facing upwards. The mouth/mind speaks prayer and the heart is the measure of sincerity. It was a physical act to represent a conscious and subconscious act of not hiding anything from our Father in the heavens, but rather openly presenting oneself before our Father in the heavens. Here are some examples.

Psalm 134:1-3, “Come, bless יהוה, All you servants of יהוה, Who are standing in the House of יהוה by night! Lift up your hands in the set-apart place, And bless יהוה .יהוה, Maker of the heavens and earth, Does bless you from Tsiyon!”

Isayah 59:1-3, “Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."

Isaiah 1:15, “And when you spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.”

Lamentation 3:41, "Let us lift our hearts along with our hands to YHWH in heaven."

Daniyl 4:37, "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and worship with uplifted hands, and honor YHWH in heaven, Whose every work is truth, and His ways judgment; and those who walk in pride, He is able to abase; humble."

Psalm 141:2, "May our prayers be set before You like incense. May the lifting up of our hands be like the evening sacrifice."

Psalm 119:48, “That I might lift up my hands to Your commands, Which I have loved; While I meditate on Your laws.”

1 Timothy 2:8, "Therefore, aI will that men everywhere are to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or doubting."

Daniyl 12:7, "Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who on that future day is teaching, when he held up his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and vowed by Him Who lives forever, that: It will be for a time, times, and a half, when YHWH will have accomplished pouring out His power through His holy people, all these things will be finished."

Psalm 134:1-3, "Behold, bless YHWH, all you servants of YHWH, who stand by night in The House of YHWH! Raise your hands in the sanctuary, and bless YHWH! May YHWH, Who made heaven and earth, bless you out of Zion!

Psalms 63:3-4, “Because Your loving-commitment is better than life, My lips do praise You. Therefore I bless You while I live; In Your Name I lift up my hands.”

Psalm 145:18, "יהוה is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth."

You in unbelief !

His will is what I want to do in my life, and I don't want to hold anything back. When at the crossroads of decision I hope and want to fulfill His will for me.

Daniel 10:12, 12 And he said to me, “Do not fear, Dani’ĕl, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and to humble yourself before your Elohim, your words were heard, and I have come because of your words."

Psalms 86:11-13, “Teach me Your way, O יהוה; Let me walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your Name. I praise You, O יהוה my Strength, with all my heart, And I esteem Your Name forever. For Your loving-commitment is great toward me, And You have delivered my being From the depths of She’ol.”

Forgiveness is Justification !

Forgiveness is Justification because it denotes the debt of ones sin has been put away. Forgiveness brings into play a legal declaration, that those for whom Christ died for their debt of sin and death for sin hath been put away. For them the wages of sin, death Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

That wage of sin death, hath been put away, its forgiven. Any sinner Christ has died for, God has no choice but to look upon them as Just, Righteous; but not for their own sake and doings, but for Christ's sake and doings for them, He paid their debt. Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


The word forgiven here is the word charizomai and means to

properly, to extend favor ("grace"), freely give favor to grant forgiveness (pardon).

That word pardon means:

a release from the legal penalties of an offense

This was preached in the OT Isa 43:25

25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Or For Christ's Sake their transgressions are blotteth out !

And this equates to Justification. In Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.


The word Justification dikaiosis means :

acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.

The Resurrection of Christ is proof that those for whom Christ was delivered for their offences, have been acquitted, pardoned, forgiven, Justified, and that freely, even while they are enemies ! 23

More expressions of your unbelief

Great point, I want to always keep this in mind

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

brightfame52 said:

Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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Ephesians 4:32 refers to those who are born again of Holy Spirit:

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Those who are not born again do not have the new man within ... until a person is born again through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, he or she lives his or her life according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (Eph 2:2).

For you to insist otherwise is nothing but error on your part.

brightfame52 said:

Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

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Ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is improper interpretation of Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness]was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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You still in unbelief !

More unbelief expressed.

... nope ... just more of your ad hominem nonsense because your erroneous dogma does not and cannot refute the truth revealed in Scripture.

Mark 16:15-16 And he [the Lord Jesus Christ] said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it [the gospel of Christ] the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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More unbelief !

your fallacious ad hominem responses are duly noted ... rather than respond to the points made, you attack the person. Folks use this fallacious technique due to their inability to refute the central point.

The light of Scripture has exposed your error ...

again ... your claim is that the folks Peter preached to in Acts 2:38-39 were "Justified, quickened jews".

If what you claim is true, there would be no need for them to Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38) because if they were "Justified, quickened" they would have already received Holy Spirit ...

and instead of acknowledging your error, you engage in ad hominem attacks in your relentless / futile attempt to prop up your erroneous dogma.

Acts 2:38-40 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Now read Acts 2:41

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Of all who heard Peter's sermon, only those that gladly received his word were baptized ... born again ... "Justified, quickened" in your vernacular.

Those who suppressed the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) were unrepentant ... they were not baptized ... they were not Justified ... even though the promise is unto you, and to your children (Acts 2:39).
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Sinners that are Justified before and by God before they believe!

This is a Grand Gospel Truth that false religion can't and won't believe. However scriptures do declare this gracious truth.

One passage that shows this Rom 8:33-34

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Now from a proper understanding here, those Christ died for are not charged with anything, and so consequently they are Justified ! 24

More unbelief !