Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Had I died in that condition, I would have gone to hell even though the Lord still loved me!

over the years I've learned how to be skillful in the word of righteousness

"yo-yo-saved-lost-saved-yo-yo" salvation is not in Scripture?

If so, then why is it that you have not not yet found God's Eternal Salvation?:

It's entirely possible for one to get born again and then backslide whether you agree with it or not

it's absolutely meaningless to me if you believe that or not!

I Disagree with men's experiences, but, I entirely agree with All of God's
Scriptures About His All-Sufficient BLOOD, and, Because of That, I do not
Deny Any Of His Eternal Salvation Scriptures!:

But, you deny the whole counsel of God which warns Christians of the possibility of losing their salvation... an this is what Cherry Pickers do!

1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.

This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.

This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!

Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"


Colossians 1:21-23
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven.

*A condition is given here to be righteous before the Lord which is IF we continue in the faith.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved.

Jude 1:5,6
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

*If once saved always saved was true, then the Lord would not be speaking thru Jude to put us in remembrance about what happened to those that quit believing (turned their backs on the Lord to live in opposition to Him which is to live in sin).

*If angels having been created perfect turn away from the Lord and be separated from Him forever, we would experience the same. Thankfully, the Lord has provided a way for man to confess and forsake sin in order to receive mercy (see Proverbs 28:13), but if we continue in our sin we will not have mercy due having turned away from the Lord

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

*If we knowing and willing continue in sin, Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross is no longer applicable and there will be no new sacrifice for sin forthcoming other than what Jesus has already done at the Cross. One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

*One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:7,8
He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My son. (abide In Christ!)
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers (man whores), and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (These things, and all sin, must be confessed and forsaken to avoid going to hell!)

Revelation 9:21
And they did not repent of their murders, or their sorceries, or their sexual immorality, or their thefts

Romans 1:28-32
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Ezekiel 18:26,27
When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

Ezekiel 18:20 (see Romans 8:13)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (see 2 Corinthians 5:15 says….Jesus died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again.)

Ezekiel 18:20-24 (see Romans 8:13)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ezekiel 33:13
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it

Matthew 10:32,33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 6:14,15
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

*This indicates that these folks were born again and they had "fallen from grace" because they turn away from trusting in Jesus for their salvation.

you just do not understand what Scripture says.

The problem here is that you OSAS peoples only believe a handful of happy verses and throw the rest of God's Word in the trash. It's what you Cherry Pickers do!

Of course Jesus paid for sin on the Cross.. but Jesus said in John 15 that those who do not abidfe in Him baring fruit are cut off and thrown in to the fire!

Jesus did not teach the false OSAS doctrines you cherry pickers espouse.

Salvation is only applicable to those that turn away from their sin and walk in the Spirit which is abiding in Christ.

The OSAS peoples like to argue in favor of it being OK to do some sin and still be saved... cause most of the OSAS peoples got some pet sin they don't want to give up, so they gotta remain sin friendly to make themselves feel good 'bout themselves being sinners and not putting on the New Man as scripture instructs Christians to do.

So, I'll try to not snicker at the cherry picker!
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Didn't you read the verse I posted that says those saved are kept by the power of God, and not by man? Therefore, anyone who has been saved simply cannot be of those whom Paul is referring to (above), unless, that is, you believe that man's actions and power can override God's. And if you do, that means you don't believe Jesus is the Saviour, but that man is his own saviour. Paul is not saying if they continue, they WILL BE reconciled, but saying THEY HAVE been reconciled in order that they continue in the faith to the end. Continuing in the faith is a result OF having been reconciled; that is, it is reconciliation's effect. So, what do you make of these verses. Do you see "by the power of God" part"?

[1Pe 1:4-5 KJV] 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

To tell you the truth, Turbosxx, I don't understand how you could choose Co 2:12 to substantiate your position.
Did you read 2:13? Here, I'll post both and highlight the significant portions. The "faith of the operation of God" is in the
genitive case, meaning that it is not the person's faith IN the operation of God, but rather the faith that is OF/WITHIN the operation of God, or said another way, Christ's faith. That is; Christ's faith caused them to be raised - it was/is not by their/our faith. This is substantiated by the next verse that HE quickened together with Him (made alive) when they had been dead. It is apparent that the dead cannot give to themselves, faith.

[Col 2:12-13 KJV]
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

What I make of Gal 1:6 is that they as new Christians, and due to that newness, were being confused about doctrine by those who were not saved but who were perverting the gospel of Christ. Paul was correcting /edifying them of the correct doctrine. Since they were not (nor is anyone) saved by what they might do, but instead by Christ's did, because of Christ, their salvation was never in jeopardy.

, you seem to have a problem realizing what a Saviour is and of what He achieved. Instead of trusting in Him, you place your trust in man.

Was Peter saved before he denied Jesus?

Did he lose that salvation when he denied Jesus?

Was David saved before he committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband killed?

Did he lose his salvation when he sinned so greatly?

What sins will cause one to lose salvation?

Another thing. Who gives you the right to make that judgement the "most of the OSAS people got some pet sin they don't want to give up"?

I suppose you are one who claims you never sin or your sin does not cause you to lose your salvation.
Enough of this foolishness with a foolish person.

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All of them... Unless one confesses their sin to the Lord and repents. If we sow to the flesh (sin) we shall of the flesh reap corruption.... to say otherwise is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

This is how Peter and David got back in right standing with the Lord... they acknowedged their sin and turned away from it!

When one turns away from the Lord and sins, they must forsake their sin and confess their sin to the Lord in order to be in right standing with the Lord once again according to His Word.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


I've known and still do know many to believe this false doctrine and they ball sin friendly!

There's thing thing about everyone has a right to their own opinion... if you don't like mine, then please don't read my comments and then come barking at me claiming I have no right to have my opinion.

You believe you have a right to your opinion, well so do others.



I never said I have never sinned in the past or that it were not possible for me to sin in the future.

Currently, I do not willingly or knowingly sin and IF I did it would not be something I knew was sinful and I did it anyway.

If it help you to know... the other day I spilled my ice tea!
This proves that I'm not perfect in the literal sense and I never claimed I was.

You break the commandment to love others as yourself multiple times a day here on this site. I haven't seen any apologies.
You misrepresent people often in your posts,and bearing false witness. I haven't seen any apologies.
You don't acknowledge these things. Could be a number of reasons for that. Have you forfeited your salvation?

everyone is arguing about who had oil and who did not, but, the "entire point" being made was lost.

WHO, was RESPONSIBLE, for having OIL in their Lamps?

WE ARE!

that alone removes OSAS dogma.

if you are the ONE responsible for having OIL, then you are Responsible for Remaining SAVED, by ALWAYS ABIDING in God.

OSAS, is so easy to disprove. that's the third example I've now shown how OSAS is PURE ADULTERATED BALONEY!!

What it boils down to really is pride.

Yes, those who are saved are kept by the power of God. No one will snatch them out of His hand. However, if they turn from God He is not going to keep them from doing so.
You have changed the conditional if to in order. I looked at several different translations and they all have the conditional IF. I also looked at the Greek words used there. It is the conditional conjunction IF and the word "indeed" adds emphasis. For the word "continue", the usage is (a) I remain, tarry, (b) I remain in, persist in.
Yes, they HAVE BEEN, past tense, reconciled then he says IF YOU continue. Kinda like what Paul says here by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Again, if we follow Christ God will keep us.

Thanks for trying another approach and rewording. I think, not 100%, I understand what you're saying. I see two problems. 1) I disagree with your use of faith. When you say said another way, Christ's faith. That is; Christ's faith caused them to be raised Faith is, Heb. 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. We have to have faith because we are not all knowing. Jesus doesn't need faith, He knows everything. Now I would agree Christ's obedience to God caused them to obey the gospel.

2) Our assurance and conviction causes us to act. It was their faith that caused them to obey the gospel. How did they obey the gospel? That's the part you didn't highlight.

12 having been buried with him in baptism, That is what they did to obey the gospel. When Jesus sent out the apostles to add people to His church He told them to make disciples baptizing them in the name of the father, son and HS. Those who believe and are baptized are added to Christ's church. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,



Who is God going to punish on the last day? 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction,

Who is God going to punish on the last day? 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction,

If their salvation was never in jeopardy, then why is Paul so against them being circumcised? Paul himself circumcised Timothy. It's also a commandment from God for His people.

14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Thanks for trying to point out I have a problem but I wholly trust Jesus. It's man I don't trust. I've seen first had what this false doctrine of OSAS can do. I worked with a guy who was cheating on his wife. I talked to him about it and he said he was saved but he wouldn't have any reward. He left his wife for this other woman and married her.

No what is baloney is thinking that YOU get to have some credit for keeping your own salvation. What it boils down to really is pride. That's also why you're wrong, you get NO credit at all, Jesus gets ALL glory, and you seem to want a piece of His glory. Careful. You're also making a works based religion that put's you right in line with the Pharisee. You are selling that Jesus has the power to save people yet He doesn't have the power to keep them. So it's no longer up to Him now, it's all up to us now.

I read NOTHING about this set up anywhere at all, and again I reject this deception with everything I've been given and shown by our POWERFUL God. The idea that it's up to "me" to do what even He can't do, is arrogance on a ridiculous level when you think about it. Your view lowers His power to elevate your own. Why you want to argue the weakness, ignorance, and pointlessness of our God makes no sense to me at all. Who exactly is glorified by what you're teaching here?

so, what is your assessment of "Those" who do the [[opposite]] of what Paul is Commanding here?

The OSAS peoples claim one just has to have a brief moment of faith at some point in their lives and they are eternal saved even if they turn away from the Lord and live like the devil.

They claim turning away from a liefstyle of living in sin to abide In Christ is trying to earn your salvation thru doing good works.

The OSAS peoples claim one just has to have a brief moment of faith at some point in their lives and they are eternal saved even if they turn away from the Lord and live like the devil.

They claim turning away from a liefstyle of living in sin to abide In Christ is trying to earn your salvation thru doing good works.

Paul was against their belief in the spiritual efficacy and spiritual justification from their being physically circumcised and was unequivocally edifying them otherwise and to not trust in it- that all was already achieved Christ, not by man.

And should those who believed that they could be justified by it, then that would mean they were not saved, Christ would be of no value to them, and they were still under bondage of law. Those saved, once edified, would understand and would no longer perceive nor seek physical circumcision if they had.