Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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Bible_Highlighter

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The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in one person. His humanity and Deity never co-mingle. .
This would suggest that Jesus is two people and not one. We never see Jesus argue with Himself. His human side never talked with His deity side. You would need to show that Jesus had two minds or that He was two entities joined together and yet with only each of them being able to communicate jointly. Scripture speaks against Jesus being a new entity in the Incarnation that never existed before. Yes, the Word was made flesh, but Jesus referred to His existence as existing in the past before the Incarnation.
 

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Yes, I understand it. Maybe the confusion comes from the hypostatic union? Jesus(humanity of Christ) Did not go to the Isrealites. Christ(God) did.
There is no such doctrine. Jesus simply took on an empty shell of a body. Jesus did not join with a human mind or soul. That would suggest that Jesus was a newly created being in the Incarnation that did not exist before. This would be a contradiction or problem because Jesus declared that He was the “I AM” in Exodus 3, and He said He came down from Heaven. Somebody cannot say that if they pre-existed before His physical body. Jesus referred to His body as a temple and not as a human host with a human mind.
 

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That is false. Hebrews 7:26 is saying that He was made higher than the Heavens. So it is referring to His body that He would have during His earthly ministry. He was not made higher than the heavens after the Incarnation. That would be denying part of what the verse actually says.



Jesus was simply incapable of sinning because on the inside of His body was ALL God and not a human soul. If Jesus joined with a human soul or if one was tailored made for Him, then He could not say He came down from Heaven in John chapter 6 (Seeing He was a newly created being that did not exist before). If Jesus was a newly created being, neither could Jesus declare that He was the “I AM” from Exodus 3 in John chapter 8 to the Jews (Whereby they wanted to pick up stones and kill him for such a declaration).
Ok, lets say I am wrong about being post resurrection in Heb 7:26. It is still true while He was here on earth.

He was not defiled and he was separate from sinners. Without sin and without a sin nature.

I know you know this, but Just for clarity, Jesus Christ was not created.

I will let you be brother. Have a awesome rest of your day!
 

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Ok, let’s say I am wrong about being post resurrection in Heb 7:26. It is still true while He was here on earth.
My interpretation is that Hebrews 7:26 is in reference to His Incarnation. It is talking about when His dwelled in that body on His time on Earth and beyond. This would include His coming into the world as a baby, and His earthly ministry on after that point. Jesus still has the same body He had even after the resurrection.

You said:
He was not defiled and he was separate from sinners. Without sin and without a sin nature.
Right, so others here who say that Jesus could have potentially sinned are wrong.

You said:
I know you know this, but Just for clarity, Jesus Christ was not created.
Very true. Jesus is eternal and is the second person of the Trinity or Godhead.
The Lord our God is one God (in number), but yet He exists as three distinct persons.
1 John 5:7 says that there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.

You said:
I will let you be brother. Have an awesome rest of your day!
Discussion is why I am here. I am passionate for the truth of God’s Word.

It is evening where I am at, so the rest of my day is coming to a close, but I appreciate that.
May the Lord bless you and your family.
 

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In response to another poster who said this, "He was not defiled and he was separate from sinners. Without sin and without a sin nature", you said this:

Right, so others here who say that Jesus could have potentially sinned are wrong.
Despite your "so", there is no causal connection between the two statements.


On this subject we must get past the apparent contradiction of Scripture, which affirms all of the following:

"our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13)

"For God cannot be tempted by evil" (James 1:13)

"we have a great high priest... Jesus the Son of God... who has been tempted in every way, just as we are" (Hebrews 4:14-15)

From these, we can summarize: Jesus, Who is God, Who cannot be tempted, was tempted. We can dispense with the idea that "because Jesus is God, He cannot be tempted" as it plainly contradicts Scripture. From the Hebrews text, we can conclude a direct and thorough likeness between the nature of the temptations Jesus faced and those we face.

We use "tempt" in concert with things like a second helping of dessert, an angry response, slight pressure on the accelerator pedal when we see a yellow light, and of course far worse. All of these things are possible. I may desire to jump to Mars, but it is not possible to do so therefore I'm not tempted; "tempted" is simply the wrong concept for something that is not possible. After Jesus had fasted for 40 days, He was actually hungry, and feeding Himself would have been both legitimate and possible. He could have changed the stones into bread and eaten (you have argued for His supernatural power in other posts) yet doing so would have been a sin. Instead, He rebuked the devil with the words of Scripture, refusing the "easy way out".

Why would anyone conclude that Jesus could not have done as the devil suggested? Scripture tells us plainly that He was tempted. That means one of only two options: either sin was possible, or Jesus was not, in fact, tempted "as we are".

Consider the implications of the second: Scripture is leading us to believe that there is a conceptual sleight-of-hand involved in the temptation, or in short, a lie. God is sidestepping with an awkward, "Well, Jesus couldn't actually sin, of course, and 'tempted' here means something other than what it means in every other usage." It is nonsensical to pretend that "tempt" meant something different for Jesus than it does for us. Believing so removes all meaning from Hebrews 4:13. Let not our pietistic abhorrence at the idea of Jesus potentially committing sin inadvertently impute actual wrongdoing to God.

Further, if the temptation could not have resulted in sin, then there is no example for us, and one might wonder why the story was included in Scripture at all. If Jesus could not have sinned, and did not actually overcome the genuine temptation by the power of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, then what lesson is there for us? In reality, there are two lessons from the story: the fact of Jesus' actual overcoming of sin, and the application in His demonstration to us how to overcome sin in our own lives.

In conclusion: the temptation was real, and Jesus could have sinned, but He didn't, thereby overcoming sin for real, and demonstrating that doing so is possible.
 
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There is nothing strange about the idea of a universal church, and there is nothing unbiblical about the dozens of verses I provided to back it up.



And yet here you are arguing and falsely accusing me.
No one could possibly accuse your inaccuracy of the biblical account falsely.

The Bible never speaks of a universal church. Catholics do. The true church is the body of believers who adhere to the Christian faith.

Catholics are all over the place and worship people before God.
 
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Further, if the temptation could not have resulted in sin, then there is no example for us, and one might wonder why the story was included in Scripture at all. If Jesus could not have sinned, and did not actually overcome the genuine temptation by the power of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, then what lesson is there for us? In reality, there are two lessons from the story: the fact of Jesus' actual overcoming of sin, and the application in His demonstration to us how to overcome sin in our own lives.

In conclusion: the temptation was real, and Jesus could have sinned, but He didn't, thereby overcoming sin for real, and demonstrating that doing so is possible.
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Jesus only told Peter to feed his sheep, not anyone else. Only a shepherd feeds sheep, not other sheep, meaning Jesus has given his authority (keys) to Peter. Just like in Isiah 22 a king gave the keys to his steward.



I have dozens of verses backing up my argument, that's not grasping at straws. What do you have other than your rebellious opinions and your feelings of disdain towards the RCC? (feelings, by the way, I share with you). You don't get to dismiss the argument without evidence, and the only thing you refuted is my spelling.


Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

again, Peter was soundly rebuked by Paul for giving in to the Judaizers.

That is in the Bible. Not to mention his denying Jesus three times.

Great example. Perhaps the pope needs a better example along with Catholicism in general

Try Jesus. No human being can forgive sin. We can and should forgive those who sin against us, but that person still has to answer to God for their sin.
 

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In conclusion: the temptation was real, and Jesus could have sinned, but He didn't, thereby overcoming sin for real, and demonstrating that doing so is possible.
And this...

Isaiah 7:
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
 
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Look at the 'keys to the kingdom of heaven' in the light of the fact that a person must be 'born again, or they will not see the kingdom of heaven.

What is the actual 'key' to being with God in heaven? Accepting Christ as the One who died for you sins. Peter is not that person obviously. The keys are the instructions given by Jesus...binding, loosing and so on and most of all faith that leads to salvation in Christ.

Everyone who is actually a Christian possesses the keys....everyone. Evangelism is a key to salvation. Hearing that message of the gospel, is the key to salvation.

Peter was a coward who denied Jesus THREE times. He also backed down from the true gospel and became a hypocrite when he joined up with the Judaizers. He was soundly rebuked by Paul for doing so.

And it is significant to note, that not long, after he identified Jesus as the Son of God, Jesus rebuked him.

21From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. “Far be it from You, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to You!”

23But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”


So we see that while Peter was a part of the foundation of the covenant in Christ and a very important one, he was also very fallible and was only imbued with power to serve God when he was filled with the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

There is alot of opposition to this simple truth, that Peter, while chosen and playing a key part in the beginnings of the church (body of Christ/true believers) he was still just a man. Fallible and actually cowardly and nothing without Jesus

This is the biblical account. The pope has no jurisdiction over the church of true believers in Christ, but if a person submits to him, they shall have him as their ruler unless they repent and turn to Christ.

Jesus actually called Peter a stumbling block. Jesus redeemed Peter, but without the Holy Spirit, Peter was nothing but a coward and a stumbling block.

We must all keep our eyes on Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith.

1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us. 2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. Hebrews 12
 

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Good point, but the mother of Zebedee's children may not have been aware of the power structure, and if she was, she did ask about the afterlife, not the world of the living where Peter was placed as a chief apostle. And the disciples argued about who was the greatest (or best), not who was the leader. In Mathew 11:11 Jesus said John the Baptist is the greatest of all born of women, but he wasn't even a disciple of Jesus or in any leadership role. The same Greek word used in Mathew 11:11 -μείζων (meizōn)- is also used in Luke 9:46 where they argued about who was the greatest. It means large or great, not necessarily chief.
That's an interesting take on it all and I appreciate it.

I would say, however, that in the Matt. 11 discussion, Jesus was talking about John as a prophet, right? So, my thought has always been that John's role as a prophet was what Jesus had in mind when He says that he was the greatest.

As to John's and James' mother requesting that He place them in positions of greatness, I'm not sure that she was thinking about the Kingdom as being in the "afterlife". I don't think that anyone, including the 12 disciples, had any idea that Jesus' Kingdom was spiritual in nature. I just don't that indicated in Matt. 20.

Also, while meizon certainly is used to indicate greatness, it is also used to denote someone as elder and therefore greater in that sense. (according to Strong's)
 
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Your explanation is inadequate.

For those with darkened understanding, yes I'd imagine it is... seeing they are trying to understand God's Word with their carnal cherry picking mind embarassed.gif


For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens (Heb 7:26).

Apparently you don't recognize that... Jesus actually left His position being "higher than the heavens" and came down here to Club Earth ans dwelt among men?.... Once he was raised from the dead and ascended back to Heaven, He was once again seated on High.

If you don't believe Jesus came in the flesh, this makes you a "a deceiver and an antichrist".
Sure you want to continue this deception you are running?

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



Because Jesus is God on the inside and He was not like Superman who lost His superpowers.

Those highly trained in subterfuge, chicanery, skulduggery, jugglery, and guile have this viewpoint. crazy.gif

Here's a secret for ya... Jesus never lost His power disagree.gif which is why He choose to NOT sin and choose to maintain His allegiance to the Father. agree.gif .... it was the Father IN Him doing the Works...

Deny all you want the the Holy Spirit actually led Jesus to the wilderness to be tempted by satan


Matthew 4:1-11
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

And of course it's a mystery to you WHY the angels came to minister to Him after He had chosen to resist the devil's temptations.



You stated before that the Father works in Jesus based on John 14. I agree with this. But you also said at another point that Jesus also operated by the fruits of the Holy Spirit, too. So at one point in time, Jesus operates doing certain works by the Father. Then at another point in time, Jesus operates by doing works of the Holy Spirit.

This is because you do not understand... the Father dwelling in Him... IS the fruit of the Spirit! That's the attributes that come with God's presence abiding within clueless-doh.gif

As Christians... we have access to the same thing! Well, some of us do. The Holy Spirit is the presence of God as He is a Spirit (John 4:24)

Hang in the bud, maybe someday you'll understand what all this means but you'll have to quit trying to understand God's Word with your carnal minded, worldly "logic"


But Jesus did not lay aside His divine privileges.

Then WHY was the glory of God not shining thru His face when He was here on earth which would have resulted in nobody being able to get near Him and certainly would have prevented anybody from putting Him on that Cross!

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

You need to quit being a cherry picker... Hebrews 2:9 demonstrates that Jesus did in fact lay aside His almighty power just so He could go to the Cross and die for the sins of mankind as a sin offering.

It's sad you don't even understand the primary part of the Gospel.
 

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In response to another poster who said this, "He was not defiled and he was separate from sinners. Without sin and without a sin nature", you said this:



Despite your "so", there is no causal connection between the two statements.


On this subject we must get past the apparent contradiction of Scripture, which affirms all of the following:

"our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13)

"For God cannot be tempted by evil" (James 1:13)

"we have a great high priest... Jesus the Son of God... who has been tempted in every way, just as we are" (Hebrews 4:14-15)

From these, we can summarize: Jesus, Who is God, Who cannot be tempted, was tempted. We can dispense with the idea that "because Jesus is God, He cannot be tempted" as it plainly contradicts Scripture. From the Hebrews text, we can conclude a direct and thorough likeness between the nature of the temptations Jesus faced and those we face.

We use "tempt" in concert with things like a second helping of dessert, an angry response, slight pressure on the accelerator pedal when we see a yellow light, and of course far worse. All of these things are possible. I may desire to jump to Mars, but it is not possible to do so therefore I'm not tempted; "tempted" is simply the wrong concept for something that is not possible. After Jesus had fasted for 40 days, He was actually hungry, and feeding Himself would have been both legitimate and possible. He could have changed the stones into bread and eaten (you have argued for His supernatural power in other posts) yet doing so would have been a sin. Instead, He rebuked the devil with the words of Scripture, refusing the "easy way out".

Why would anyone conclude that Jesus could not have done as the devil suggested? Scripture tells us plainly that He was tempted. That means one of only two options: either sin was possible, or Jesus was not, in fact, tempted "as we are".

Consider the implications of the second: Scripture is leading us to believe that there is a conceptual sleight-of-hand involved in the temptation, or in short, a lie. God is sidestepping with an awkward, "Well, Jesus couldn't actually sin, of course, and 'tempted' here means something other than what it means in every other usage." It is nonsensical to pretend that "tempt" meant something different for Jesus than it does for us. Believing so removes all meaning from Hebrews 4:13. Let not our pietistic abhorrence at the idea of Jesus potentially committing sin inadvertently impute actual wrongdoing to God.

Further, if the temptation could not have resulted in sin, then there is no example for us, and one might wonder why the story was included in Scripture at all. If Jesus could not have sinned, and did not actually overcome the genuine temptation by the power of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, then what lesson is there for us? In reality, there are two lessons from the story: the fact of Jesus' actual overcoming of sin, and the application in His demonstration to us how to overcome sin in our own lives.

In conclusion: the temptation was real, and Jesus could have sinned, but He didn't, thereby overcoming sin for real, and demonstrating that doing so is possible.
Well, there are two problems with your belief here.

Problem #1. - God who is Holy can sin.

Your belief is actually attack upon the good character of our God and you don't’ even realize it.​
Calvinists have this same problem when they say God forces some to be saved and others to not be saved.​
Anyway, according to you: God (Jesus) can be tempted with evil, which is a violation of James 1:13.​
You fail to believe Hebrews 7:26 that says that Jesus is holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners. You are basically saying Jesus is not separate from sinners because He was tempted to do sin internally like us. This would suggest some kind of defilement within Jesus to do some kind of sin but He simply did not act upon it. But if such were the case, it would mean Jesus could not be our spotless Lamb. It would mean darkness would be in Jesus if there was something inside of Him that could potentially do wrong and or evil. 1 John 1:5 says there is no darkness in God. This would include Jesus because Jesus is God.​

Problem #2. - You fail to distinguish between the Bible’s teaching on internal temptation vs. external temptation.

Lets look at James chapter 1.​
External temptation is explained in verse 13 (Note: Satan is the external tempter).​
Internal temptation is explained in verse 14 (Note: men are drawn away of their own internal lusts, it says that every man is tempted and drawn away by his own lust. This is internal. The lusts and desires are internal.).​
James 1:13-15
13 “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:​
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.​
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”​
Now, lets look at Matthew chapter 4.​

External temptation:​
In verse 1, it says Jesus was tempted of the devil.​
Verse 3 says that the devil is “the tempter. “ This proves external temptation because he is called, “the tempter.”​
Matthew 4:1-3​
1 “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.​
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.​
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.”​

Lets look at 1 Corinthians chapter 10.​
External temptation:​
The Israelites tempted God (Christ) externally by speaking against the Lord and against Moses. The Israelites complained about how they were brought out of Egypt to die in the wilderness because they did not have water or the kind of bread they truly desired (Instead of the bread God gave them) (See: Numbers 21:5-7). For we believers under the New Covenant are warned not to tempt Christ in 1 Corinthians 10:9 just as the Israelites once tempted Him in the wilderness and with some of them being destroyed of serpents.​
1 Corinthians 10:9​
“Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”​
External Temptation:​
1 Corinthians 10:13 talks about the temptation or testing of the believer. God will not allow us to be tempted (externally) above that which we are able to bear. But God will also provide a way of escape in that external temptation, which is put forth by the tempter or the devil. This does imply an internal temptation, as well. Because God is providing a way of escape for us to be able to bear this external temptation. If it was not something that could entice us, then we would have no need to be able to bear it.​
1 Corinthians 10:13​
”There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”​
But in the case with Hebrews 2:18, and Hebrews 4:15, nothing is said that Jesus struggled internally by any wrong lusts that were inside him. 1 Corinthians 10:13 would never apply to Jesus but only us. Jesus is God Almighty on the inside. God is not capable of being (internally) tempted with evil as James 1:13 says.​

I hope this helps, and may God bless you.
 

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Well, I did refuse to get their fake covid jab... it violates the revelation knowledge the Lord has given me from His Word concerning HIM being my source for health and healing!
do you eat food and drink water?
you seem to be saying that it is sinful to take care of your body.

do you breathe air?
or is that also sin since it is God who is our source of life?
should all the righteous suffocate, to show their piety?
 

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If you don't believe Jesus came in the flesh, this makes you a "a deceiver and an antichrist". Sure you want to continue this deception you are running?
If you had carefully seen my posts on the FULL HUMANITY and FULL DEITY of Christ, you would not have made such a foolish and silly comment. But you have gone much further by saying "that makes you a deceiver and an antichrist". Actually you are here as a deceiver who is constantly attacking the eternal security of the believer.
 

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do you eat food and drink water?
Not poisoned.


you seem to be saying that it is sinful to take care of your body.
Taking the jab is the opposite of taking care of your body.



do you breathe air?
or is that also sin since it is God who is our source of life?
should all the righteous suffocate, to show their piety?
A fallacy of exaggeration. You aren't good at debate.
 

posthuman

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Not poisoned.
Taking the jab is the opposite of taking care of your body.
A fallacy of exaggeration. You aren't good at debate.
you didn't justify anything at all that you said, but @JimmyTheLock did.

his reasoning was that since God is his source of health, he should not rely on anything else for health.

so i naturally have questions about how far he actually takes that reasoning -- or whether he selectively applies that reasoning only in one instance but no others.

or if perhaps what he said was untruthful altogether, but the kind of thing you might say to make friends with what you assume are all people of a certain worldly political persuasion.
 

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do you eat food and drink water?
you seem to be saying that it is sinful to take care of your body.

do you breathe air?
or is that also sin since it is God who is our source of life?
should all the righteous suffocate, to show their piety?
Yeah, taking any kind of medicine or seeking medical intervention/help for any condition is a lack of faith, dontchaknow???

Makes one wonder if those who promote such a view have never so much as taken an aspirin.

Because if they had, according to how they view others, they lacked faith and are therefore going to hell.

To scream forever after in eternal conscious torment because they went to a doctor and/or took meds.

:oops: