The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

Jepethiel would point out here that angel does not necessarily mean celestial spirit messenger. That is but one meaning. In the NT (and certainly here in NT Australia) Thayer's English-Greek Lexicon of New Testament words defines the Gk. Word angelos/oi as
1. Angel from heaven
2. Messenger
3. Ambassador, envoy, sent representative (i.e. like an apostle).
The idea comes from ancient Semitic languages that had similar distinctions.

And I want to point out one more thing, in Ex. 19:8 the CHILDREN of ISRA'EL proudly boast that they could keep (by their own - independent of God - abilities the commandments of God. The LAW is the result. A set of RULES for people who are disobedient, and arrogantly dismissive of God!

Both sides of this argument are being conducted by people who are NOT ABLE to see things as Jesus sees them, in the 'body of flesh' and so are operating out of imperfect understandings of scripture.

BE WARNED - Oh people.
'God is not mocked. That which you sow you shall also reap!'
The quality of YOUR eternal life is dependant on the effort you put into YOUR relationship with Jesus!

And this IS A REBUKE BY Jesus' command!

Jepethiel.

Service to God in the New Testament is through His churches. No other institution in the bible has it. There were missionaries of course.. but they were sent out by churches.. to plant churches. Jesus built His church and that is the pillar and ground of the truth.

But anyway.. I pray God does bless your journey.

Does the Bible ever say he became an angel though sister ? It says he became a man and doesn’t this say he didn’t take on himself the nature of angels ?

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;


but he took on him the seed of Abraham.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see what I’m saying is says he didn’t take on himself the nature of angels but he did take on the seed of Abraham a man

Now to be clear it doesn’t say “ God could never become an angel “ I haven’t either what I’m saying is Jesus has never been an angel according to scriptire the son of God is greater than angels they worship him


“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how Hebrews is dressing a contrast between the son of God and angels ? From the first chapter ?

look at where it leads in chapter 2

“For if the word spoken by angels ( Old Testament ) was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;( New Testament ) which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Sister Jesus is the talking here ….the one appointing this angel

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. ( Jesus is speaking he just hasn’t become flesh yet ) Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus isn’t the angel he’s the Lord who’s talking to Moses.

this actually happened Stephen wasn’t wrong it’s written on the law the wholes story Gods reaction Moses intercession God appointing that angel ( not himself as an angel but one of his angels over them )

“And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices By the space of forty years in the wilderness?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:41-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He appointed an angel that would not pardon their sins over them giving the angels the ordination and moses the mediation

….I’m not talking about what God could do he could become and angelmof he wanted I’m talking about Jesus the lord our God who became a man who didn’t become an angel but became a man died for man was raised from e dead and returned to his glory as God not an angel but try e glory of God who greeted the angels and men and everything else

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Bible doesn’t ever say jesus manifested or became an angel he sent his angelic messengers throughout the Bible to carry messages to people on earth the Bible talked of God becoming on of us ot never speaks of him becoming an angel ….could he ? Of course he could do anything jesus it says never took upon him the natire of angels. Though seems clear to me that jesus sends his angels at times like this

“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or before his name was known or revelation had come like this this is Jesus the lord the one God speaking beforehand on secret

“Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s not becoming an angel , he’s appointed an angel to lead them and keep them in the way lead them into the promised land because if you read what’s happened they worshipped a calf and face it credit for saving them from Egypt d it enraged him they had just made the covenant saying well obey it all ,

a he declares he will destroy them all but Moses please with him and intercedes and saves israel from Gods judgement Thisnis the point God spares them because of Moses and yet he says he’s not going with them now but he’ll send his angel ahead of them with them and if they all obey he’ll deliver them if they don’t the y’all be cursed ….ect like Stephen is saying if we just follow the law and read what happened what Paul’s saying here becomes really clear

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God spoke through angels many times in this case he tiwrned and gave israel up to worship of him through angels ordination and Moses mediation , by animal blood and Moses words because of idolatry but he said even then he would come later and raise up the prophet who would speak his words

If you read Paul’s writings you see it repeatedly the reference to the different ordination of angels and mediation of Moses and how it’s a different ordination word priesthood sacrifice ect entirely new testament beginning and ending with Jesus the son of God who became a man and returned to his glory

Im not sure but I’ve never read any scripture saying God became an angel but several about him becoming a man seems like a solid argument to make

“And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:6-8, 10‬ ‭

Jesus is the Lord he became a man …..unless I’ve missed the doctrine saying he became an angel which seems to contradict where it says “he didn’t take the nature of angels on himself but the nature of men vis aBrahms seed “


And given the constant references to the ordination of angels being inferior to the ordination of the son of God th e leviticle priesthood of the law being inferior to melchezideks the word of angels being inferior to Christs ect the inferiority of the sacrifices they gave to the one Christ offered ,

It seems like one of those things people either will hear or won’t but it’s there in everyone’s Bible I’m not personally aware sister of any doctrine teaching Jesus became an angel …..but I e heard that theory since the seventies that he’s Micheal the archangel made flesh ….the Bible doesn’t say that though it says zgod was made flesh and Micheal isn’t God he serves God like Gabriel ….angels are heavenly servants of God he sends them many times in scriptire

Jesus is in this dream but he’s not an angel

“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭28:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God became a man I’ve heard that part never heard the part of him being an angel prior to his birth or even becoming angel he sent them A lot and they spoke his word often like prophets but never heard of him becoming an angel

Lol it tells us in the passage what it means

“And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.

….But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:6-7, 13-14‬

the Bible well explains angels where they are from what they do how some rebelled and went to war in heaven and were cast out with Satan ect

It’s insane how if anyone presents scripture here in this Bible forum it becomes a huge controversy and we have to explain how angels could mean anything when it’s clearly talking about what the Bible has always called angels heavenly servants of God that at times he sends with messages or for purposes like when he sent an angel to do this

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To read that at then argue “ we’ll an angel could mean something else “ what impact does it have on what it says there or sense does that make if an angel is a four legged frog with wings it still says “ God appointed and angel who would not pardon transgressions over the people

i dont understand the relevance of the argument how come no one is adressing what I’ve actually said but keeps responding to me about stuff like “ angel could mean something else “ it’s in context talk g about what it’s talking about lol man this place

“Consider also that God is not incapable of manifesting as an angel should He desire to do so.”

nothing is impossible with God bit the doctrine is t that God became an angel at any point

merry Christmas brother yeah the conversation became something it wasn’t what did you mean ? Angels can mean messengers ? I didn’t really get the relevance …. Arent angels pet of the biblical doctrine from the ot and new spiritual ministers of God ?

who do carry messages perform tasks they serve God on earth at times they come and witness things for God like soddom and Gomorrah they ask save people like lot ect the nt talks about angels also I’m not sure what relevance or what you reqlly Meant there

what I was saying is that whole chi spree and really the whole book of Hebrews separates Jesus the son of God from angels and seperate e the New Testament from the old that was ordained by angels , mediated by Moses , performed by levites in aman made temple observing a book to the letter

hebrews is talking about what it explains angels are those spiritual heavenly ministers of God

Quoting this to try and "prove" that Jesus was not the Angel of the LORD shows that (1) you know how to take verses out of context, (2) you how to post very lengthy posts full of unrelated Scriptures and full of all kinds of capitalizations, and (3) you know how to dismiss Scripture when it does not suit your false beliefs. You have rejected the testimony of Exodus 3 against your false beliefs, and that is a very serious matter. I will not waste any more time on your posts.

The Ten Commandments in Revelation

The opening verses establish the book of Revelation as the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ circia 90 AD, which puts Jesus in heaven giving the message to John. This is indeed shown to be the case in John's accounts of what he saw. Jesus is giving this message from heaven post-crucifixion. It is the last message for the world.

Revelation 2:17 through Revelation 3:22 contain the letters to the seven churchs. In the letters, Jesus rebukes the churches because of their sin, and calls them to repentance. He tells them to watch and that He is coming quickly.

Revelation 21 warns the consequences of continuing in unrepentant sin.


Revelation 22 makes a powerful statement concerning commandment keeping. Jesus sent His angel to testify to the churches.

Conclusion

• Jesus received His revelation from God, which He then gave to John.
• Jesus signified the whole book of Revelation.
• The Ten Commandments are clearly visible in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
• The time for repentance is now.
• The time is at hand. Judgment is come. He is coming quickly.

The book of Revelation defines the remnant.

The book of Revelation defines the saints.

There should be no question concerning commandment keeping and the Christian.

I'm chilling 2,000 years later
Perhaps our dear brother @posthuman can relate? .

Yay...another old covenant diatribe.

You know, the general sentiment that i've seen in a lot of Christian forums in regards to Revelations or the Apocalypse is a sense of fear and anxiety which i personally find very strange.
Because if the Heavens opens up right now and we enter in the final days, that would be a sign of joy or relief for me. Relief because finally God is here to redeem this fallen world, begin the eternal kingdom and the New Jerusalem and we go back to how we were supposed to be in The Garden but with more appreciation for our God.
It's a sign of relief and joy when it happens not fear, but that's just me i guess.

The message of Revelation was meant to bring blessing...1:3.

lol he's a dead ringer for post human 🙄☺️😋

The thing about our friend posthuman is I can't help but have mercy for him lol 😂

He is about as lovable as lovable can be... Truly!!!

Mercy me!!!

lol must he doesn't have a bad bone in his body 😋

patience of the saints, love



we were never in any danger

Lol I was wondering when you would spring back to life again 😂

God's law is spiritual (Romans 7:14), so it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles that are aspects of His nature and the way to know Him. God's nature is eternal, so all of His laws for how to testify about His nature are there also eternal, which is why Psalms 119:160 says that all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so none of them will ever become obsolete. In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is sin to add to or subtract from God's law, so while Jesus expounded upon God's law, he did not expand it.

The Bible never lists which laws are moral, ethical, hygienic, ceremonial, or civil, and never even refers to those as being categories of law. People are free to categorize God's laws however we want, such as I could categorize them based on which part of the body is most commonly used to obey/disobey them, such as with the law against theft being a hand law, but just because I can categorize them in that manner does not establish that any of the authors of the Bible categorizes them in the same manner, so I would quickly run into error if I interpreted them as referring to a category that I just created.

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. While some of God's laws have aspects that are hygienic, the point is not to have good hygiene. For example, many people will wash themselves clean from dirt before ritually immersing. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes refraining form eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so while there are night and day differences between how healthy it is to eat clean or unclean animals and there are a tremendous number of parasites and diseases that have been transferred to humans through eating unclean animals, the purpose is to testify about God's holiness, which is about much more than hygiene.