The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

Your assertion is not supported by your citations.

You tell me how the law that defines sin when broken can be the same law that was added because of breaking the law that defines sin. When you do that, you will see the citation in fact support my assertions. Claiming something is false and proving it is not the same.

pretty sure you cited the wrong verse:


ironically so, seeing how this so plainly tells us that the promise of eternal life is by faith, not by law - and explicitly declares that there is a righteousness which has nothing to do with the Law at all, but is by faith.
so righteousness does not demand being under law; in fact because the purpose of the Law is to make sin more sinful, the Law is not for the righteous but the unrighteous - what it says, it says to those it condemns.



But Romans 5:13 says "of a certainty" sin was in the world before the law - not that there is no sin without law - but that sin isn't charged to anyone when there is no law. hence our perfect salvation from sun through the death of Christ, by which we who believe also died, therefore are set free from the law.

whatever is not of faith, is sin.
murder is not of faith - it is unbelief.
Cain does not need to be under Moses in order to know that sin is sinful; he only needs to believe in the goodness of God.

I sited the right verse

Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Sin in the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4
No law, no sin.

What is the law that defines sin?

Paul points to the Ten Commandments

Romans 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Same law Jesus said was sin when broken Mat 5:19-30

So Cain knew it was a sin to murder Abel because he was told God's law. No law no sin.

Why the devil rebelled against God's law in heaven 1 John 3:8 no law no sin.

Why would something a human wrote be in God's heavenly Kingdom instead of the only commandments God personally wrote and with His own finger personally spoke and shown to be in God's heavenly Temple Rev 11:19 what the earthy temple was patterned after Heb 8:1-5 and what we will all be judged by James 2:10-12 Rev 22:15 Mat 5:19-30 hence why it is under God's mercy seat showing mercy to those who love Him and keep His commandments Exo 20:6

I am not under obligation to support your assertion.

No amount of finagling will make irrelevant passages relevant.

Irrelevant.

that is incorrect, as already pointed out.

i think much of your further error stems from having this wrong.

Why do you think that it is a logical fallacy and that it goes directly against what Scripture teaches? God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), which means that the way to sin by doing what is unrighteous is also eternal. It would be contradictory if God's nature were eternal while the way to act in accordance with His nature were not.

Do you believe there will be sin in heaven when time is no more?

God's nature is eternal, so the way to act in a way that is contrary to God's nature will exists for as long as God's nature remains eternal. For example, it has always been and will always be a sin to commit adultery. It's hard to speak about what life would be like if time were no more or whether it would be possible to commit adultery if there were no time, but it wouldn't change the fact that it will always be a sin to commit adultery.

Can you answer yes or no?
As an aside, there is no marriage in heaven. Adultery may always be a sin, but there are no conditions in glory that allow for marriage...so adultery isn't possible.

do you anticipate yourself having temptation to sin in heaven?
will you by force of will be subjecting yourself to laws restricting your behavior in eternity?

God told him not to do it. It doesn't matter if Cain knew it to be wrong or not.

Yes, there will be sin in heaven in the sense that that what is contrary God's eternal nature will still define what it is, but not in the sense that people will continue to practice sin.

People will not continue to practice adultery, but it is not that does not mean that it will no longer be a sin to commit adultery. It would be meaningless for God to be good if there were no longer anything that defines what is and is not good, this fact in no way besmirches God's holy name, and you can deny this, but not intelligibly. .

Well scripture does not delete scripture, so they have to reconcile.

Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
Romans 5: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. Paul does not contradict himself here.

Abraham was given God's law before it was written down at Mt Sinai
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Cain knew it was sin to kill Abel so he was given God's law

Lucifer sinned therefore he was given God's law 1 John 3:8 Adam nad Eve sinned, so they were given God's law.

What Paul is saying in Romans 5:13 is man inherited the sinful nature of Adam and there was sin in the world, but man would not be held accountable for Adams sin and until individuals had the law. Not everyone walked with Christ from Adam to Mt Sinai and we are only responsible for our sins when we have the law because God is a righteous Judge, and we have to have something to measure us by. God winks at us in time of ignorance Acts 17:30. Do you think God is going to Judge someone who never had access to His Word the same way He will Judge us that do? Thankfully we all have God's law and have the choice to live by His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 and not our own, His version of Truth Psa 119:151 and not our own and the decisions we make today determine the path we are on- two choices.

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Soyeong, there will be NO sin in Heaven simply because GOD himself will be with his people and the commandments will be in their flesh and heart, refer the prophecy of Jeremiah and also the book of revelations. There will be no more sin.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Rev 22:1 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Rev 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him.
Rev 22:4 They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.

Blessings.

Wouldn't that be hell that serves this purpose?

what prevents another fall of the angels and of man?
you're describing potentially infinite recurrence of sin & death.

you seem to have a worldview in which God never actually "solves" the accusation of Satan, making evil equivalent to God by giving it an eternal nature.

do you really believe that God cannot be good unless wickedness exists?