TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

Im in the same camp as you. I just dont know for sure. I think its arrogant to claim we would know. The apostles had no idea about what was going on until it happened, sometimes even then Jesus had to tell em....

here's your explanation





Another image of the beast is a statue of a golden bull, and then theres those people who made a statue of the beast.

Then there's false prophets that worship that beast , who are also spirits of the anti Christ.

But you would have to see the picture above to identify exactly who those false prophets are. As there spirits of the anti Christ not men.


wakey wakey 😋

Or you could actually study History.

Josephus witnessed Jerusalem after titus destroyed it. His words say you would not even know it was a city. the only thing left standing was the fortress.

The temple (which was gone) is below the fortress. so the temple mount would below what we know as the wailing wall. which is the wall of the old fortress..

Meaningless statement. Why have garments if they are not planning on rebuilding the temple

That is not the temple mount location genius. Everybody now knows this. At least the genuinely interested parties paying strict attention.

HERE is the TRUE location of the Temple Mount. In the City of David.....now Israeli territory.

https://christianchat.com/threads/third-temple-news.155526/post-5190584
https://christianchat.com/threads/third-temple-news.155526/post-5102559

Oh I definitely agree with that statement.

However, the gentile Church does have a special unique exalted status that no other rank of the first resurrection enjoys.

I entertained an argument about the translation of original word used and the English translated to church, and other times translated to synagogue. So, if the "Church" is an extension of believing Remnant, how can it have any "exalted status" other than over unbelievers in general, whether Jew or Gentile.

Honestly perhaps @cv5 would explain why he favours truth of Jewish people who reject the Messiah.

Then perhaps he could explain why he would call people heretics for not agreeing with him 🤔

Then maybe he could explain why he believes theses Jews are saved but yet will face Tribulation and survive tribulation.

Then with the same token will he explain why saved Christians won't face Tribulation. I mean surley if one group is saved and they face tribulation, why shouldn't the other group.

Then perhaps he could explain why he would call people heretics for not believing him.

And then maybe he could explain how he could jump to the conclusions that I knew and others what he believed in 🤔 before he called people heretics.

I don't suppose we will get an answer today will we.

Virgin Bride of Christ. The one and only. Honeymoon in heaven for 7 years (during the trib) per the typical Jewish wedding ceremony.

If there is no crime, there is nothing to explain. Right?

Remnant Theology is dispensational in outlook, but it is separate from dispensationalism in that its understanding is that the Gentile Church is a new creation that is grafted into the covenants and blessings given to Remnant Israel. Where does Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fall among the Church, or are they excluded altogether from it and remain in the Israel designation?

It seems that dispensationalism designates Israel to the status of the 5 foolish virgins who had no oil and so are 'locked out' of the wedding, being distinguished from the "Bride of Christ." So, if there is no wedding feast for them, then how is their return, restoration, and reinstatement celebrated? Unceremoniously, perhaps?

Eph 5:32
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Also, the Church(mystery,OT never knew about His church.) is:
A royal priesthood. Every believer is a priest. Come boldly to His throne. Everything we do can be a ministry for Christ.
A royal family.
A new creation.
Sealed with God the Holy Spirit.
Royal ambassadors.........

Well....I am not a dispensationalist. Or any other designation. I am just a plain vanilla Christian.

Furthermore, the parable of the virgins is for the most part woefully misunderstood.
Rightly understood, you will see that the virgins are Israelites and the BRIDE SNATCH honeymoon (rapture!) is already happening.

These 10 virgins (Israel saved and unsaved) are playing their part in the Jewish wedding (a multi-sequence long drawn out affair if you understand it!).

What they are TASKED WITH is to PROCLAIM to the WHOLE VILLIAGE that the SNATCH HAS OCCURRED (***emphasis***.....now at the Fathers house enjoying their SEVEN DAY *****SEVEN YEAR**** HONEYMOON), and that the soon coming of the Husband and Bride to the WEDDING FEAST will be happening in the very near future, where THE ENTIRE VILLAGE (WORLD!) of invited guest recline with them for a LONG DRAWN OUT extended feast.

I hope that helps. Because when Jesus is talking about "WEDDING FEAST" and "GUESTS" and "CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS"....

This is exactly what He is talking about. Rapture. Proclamation of His soon return by Israel, telling the world to PREPARE. Then the WEDDING FEAST for those who are invited, who are given a WHITE ROBE.

Don't forget.....these "virgins" are bridesmaids NOT brides.
Same as we have today (well at least in theory!)

Forgot to mention this and it is of CRITICAL importance to rightly understand these parables.

Thanks for elaborating. I'll consider this angle even though I yet to fully subscribe to it, until I either I do or can adequately distinguish what seems 'off' about it. Currently, the misgivings come from the 'exalted' status over Israel given Romans 11:25's admonishment to not be conceited.

well i can see why you believe what you do,

But still When Jesus was explaining the parable of the ten virgins he was addressing the Jews who welcomed him, he told us, the Jews who welcomed him where the ones to inherit eternal life.

On that notion I would say those Jews where the Isreal of today.

Or maybe I'm not seeing something i don't know at this stage.

The foolish bridesmaids are those Israelites (AT THAT TIME - END TIME DURING THE TRIB) who take no heed, did NOT BELIEVE, and could care less about the Gods Word and His Truth and His return and THEIR responsibilities (same as their responsibilities in the OT!) in that regard.

The wise virgin bridesmaids.....DID believe, DID take heed, DID proclaim, DID fulfill their God-given obligations!
Aaaaand consequently THEY attend the wedding FEAST. The foolish unbelievers get "shut out" and cast into outer darkness.

ok I'm still not seeing something

I'll bring up the scripture and highlight what I'm not seeing in bold.

The Parable of the Ten Virgins
25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.


In bold where does it say the one who where not foolish where raptured,

I know the lord says he welcomed them in and shut the door.

But what door was shut, because if it was spiritual rapture surely there would be no place for the foolish to even see that door.

Maybe I'm being stupid here I don't know, but I would of thought there would be no closed doors in a spiritual kingdom where people had been raptured,

Unless everyone is raptured in the sense all people fall to sleep and there spirits remain both foolish and righteous.

and then the foolish are all without there bodies at this stage and the lord lets them see the entrance to the spiritual kingdom.


Then if I understand you correctly the ones who had the door shut in there face where the Isreal to be saved, but I'm not seeing it.

Or are you saying the righteous ones who never shared there oil and sent the foolish away where in some regards being Mr meany pants.

So the lord sent the foolish Isreal through tribulation so they could cry out for the lord earnestly 🤔.

At this stage I'm totally lost.

If I may jump in. It's not about being conceited. It's about how much His church has been given. We have been given MUCH........so we have a lot to lose if we do not utilize the special blessings we have been given. To whom much is given...........

We have great advantages given to us compared to the OT saints. If we don't properly utilize them we can.....

Lose our reign with Him.
Lose our inheritance.
Lose our crowns.
Lose our right to the Garden of God.
Lose our right to the tree of life.
Lose our garments.
And other ETERNAL rewards.

Enter His kingdom naked.

Arguably the greatest and most exalted blessings, knowledge, and privilege of all people every to exist.

Why there are those who refuse these gifts is well known, and yet a mystery.

The mystery of iniquity?

You know the parable of the prodigal son,right?.That the father in the parable is God and the inheritance of the son is not physical riches, but God himself.
That's what people who don't love God in their heart and mind do.They leave their inheritance and live in a far country.They would rather live in their sins in Babylon.The parable is about repentance.

The son became a shepherd of swine.A true preacher would be considered a shepherd,and his flock sheep.
But what happen to the son? He became as a beast!.

luke 15:15-16
And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

Is not a true preacher also a sheep?The same goes for a shepherd of swine.
These are spiritual truths.The meat of the gospel.