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dlj57

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I have a question Did Abraham keep the Sabbath?
Yes, he kept the Sabbath, God said he did, you're not calling God a liar, are you? God said he kept his Commandments and keeping the Sabbath is the 4th Commandment, the one day he said to keep holly.
The Sabbath was established on the last day of creation when God rested from his work.
 

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you don't understand when you honor the father you also honor is son.

We can never honour rest as much as the father, when the father was here he honoured the day of rest for a thousand years. Without ceasing.

So yes he set the sun in motion but no he did it when he was ready.

You must honor the father also

Say as much

That didn't address anything I said or answer the questions I asked. Like I have said many time, look up the meaning rest as it pertains to scripture, It literally means "Sabbath Keeping"
 
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That didn't address anything I said or answer the questions I asked. Like I have said many time, look up the meaning rest as it pertains to scripture, It literally means "Sabbath Keeping"
yes it does and you can't acknowledge you should honor the father

John 15:9-12 King James Version (KJV)If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
 

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That is so wrong on so many levels. The Ten Commandments have been with us from creation, when God himself stated that his work was finished and He rested on the 7th day, giving us the Sabbath / The Sabbath rest. the one day he set apart from the rest and the only day He blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Abraham obeyed all of Gods Commandments at creation (Genesis 26:5) You said: Without law there is no transgression Romans 4:15. How right that is, we are born in to sin, and man has a sinful nature, our moral laws let us know when we do something wrong, we don't have to have someone to tell us. God gave Moses and us the Ten Commandments in writing which cover the moral laws embedded in us. 9 are explicitly repeated throughout the NT. There is no scripture in the NT showing or emplying that the 4th Commandment was done away with, it is mentioned and observed 6o times throughout the NT, WHY?
Preaching Christ on the Sabbath to unsaved Jews you count as observing the Sabbath, huh? Yikes.
You continue to insert into Scripture things that are simply not there, and try to foist your assumptions

onto others. That is wrong on so many levels, and you have said other things that are demonstrably false.
 

Magenta

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Yes, he kept the Sabbath, God said he did, you're not calling God a liar, are you? God said he kept his
Commandments and keeping the Sabbath is the 4th Commandment, the one day he said to keep holly.
The Sabbath was established on the last day of creation when God rested from his work.
Keep it holly? Erm, I think you mean holy. Still, you insert into Scripture things which just are not there.
 

Dino246

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Gal 3:10 is referring to the law of Moses- the laws written by Moses in a book placed on the outside of the covenant. Not the Ten Commandments finger written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 placed on the inside of the ark Exo 40:20
Your claim is not supported by Scripture.

I would also leave the judging to God- only He is all knowing, not strangers on the internet. :)
It’s not judging; I am simply certain that you aren’t keeping the Law because there is no Temple and there are no priests.
 

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op: the sabbath? Keep it or be condemned?:

1) repeat, one last time: The Body Of Christ, Under Grace today, Were
Saved, ETERNALLY, Not by "keeping a day", But Were Saved By simple
"faith In Christ, and In His Death, Burial, and Resurrection, Because
Of God's Grace, While Applying 'The Merits' Of:​
Why is His Precious BLOOD IN-sufficient for some {of themselves / works}?:

"For By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith;​
and that not of yourselves: it is The Gift of God:​
Not of works, lest any man should boast.​
(Ephesians 2:8-9 cp Romans 11:6)​
2) How then, does The Body Of Christ, Under Grace [ Not law! ] "do well"?
Again, What Saith Scripture?:

(v. 24) "circumcision and keep the law" To Be (see above) Saved?
Nay, But, Because of "soul subverters" (v. 24), God Had them decide This!:

"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood,​
and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if​
ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."(Acts 15:29)​
Nary a word about "keep sabbath NOR be condemned", eh?​
3) What then Does God Teach The Body of Christ about "fulfilling All the law"?:

Again, Very Simply Plain and Clear Scripture:

“Fulfill All Of His Law, In ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!"​
(Galatians 5:14)​
+
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth​
another hath fulfilled the law.​
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou​
shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not​
covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly​
comprehended in this saying, namely,​
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to​
his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. "​
(Romans 13:8-10)​
For those precious readers not yet "In The Body Of Christ", please
Prayerfully and Carefully review:

Amen.

For those "In The Body Of Christ" but not yet sure about "Approval Unto Him"?
"keep a day"? Or:

Study to Be APPROVED Open Bible.png
How to?:

Basic Distinctions (14 + 4 more) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
Update/Addition (#19)

Amen, and Amen!
 

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Can you use scripture please because I believe you are using a lot of scripture out of context. If you can post the scripture references.

The commandments of God are not meant to be burdensome 1 John 5:3

The bondage is sin Romans 6, not God's law which is holy, just and good Romans 7:12

Jesus would not ask us to keep something if it was impossible to keep. Its the "other spirit" who wants to keep us in sin, our salvation is from sin. Mat 1:21
Gal 3:
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [c]many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?


5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
9 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


James 2:10

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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Gal 3:
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [c]many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?


5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
9 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


James 2:10

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
The law is a generic term, there is not one size fits all, the context determines which law.
In Galatians the law is referring to circumcision if one wants to read it context.

2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. 2 And I went up [a]by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. 4 And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), 5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God [b]shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, [c]Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.

11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing [f]those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Circumcision was the "works of the law" that Gentiles needed to be circumcised to receive the gospel. Paul was rebuking this teaching. He also said 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

James is referring to the Ten Commandments

James 2: 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

James is only contrasting and quoting the Ten Commandments.


Not all the laws are the same. God only spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments- God is perfect, therefore He could only write a perfect law Psa 19:7 and God does not make mistakes, people do, not God.
 
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Your claim is not supported by Scripture.


It’s not judging; I am simply certain that you aren’t keeping the Law because there is no Temple and there are no priests.
I provided scripture to support my claim, are you claiming the scriptures are not accurate? I noticed you did not provide scriptures that refuted it.
 

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From Hebrews 10:1, 4, and 1 Corinthians 5:7
The law is a generic term, there is not one size fits all, the context determines which law.
In Galatians the law is referring to circumcision if one wants to read it context.
Circumcision was a tutor? Really!?!?!?! LOL
 
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From Hebrews 10:1, 4, and 1 Corinthians 5:7
Circumcision was a tutor? Really!?!?!?! LOL
Context


Gal 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


The law being referred to here is the sacrificial system- sacrificing animal until the Seed should come. Now in the NC- we no longer sacrifice animal Jesus is our High Priest and we can go directly to Him for the forgiveness of sin. Sin is still the same- the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7

The sacrifical system was always a place holder pointing forward to Jesus and as He became our Sacrificial Lamb 1 Cor 5:7
 

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Yes, he kept the Sabbath, God said he did, you're not calling God a liar, are you? God said he kept his Commandments and keeping the Sabbath is the 4th Commandment, the one day he said to keep holly.
The Sabbath was established on the last day of creation when God rested from his work.

No, I asked a question.

Can you please show where in the Word of God it says, Abraham kept the sabbath? Please try to suggest one is calling God a liar when they ask you a question. It's rude and trollish.
 

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Gal 3:
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [c]many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?


5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
9 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


James 2:10

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4)

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9)
Commandments
Deuteronomy 28:15
“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
1 Kings 9:6
“But if you or your sons indeed turn away from following Me, and do not keep My commandments and My statutes which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods and worship them,
Psalm 89:31
If they violate My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
Proverbs 28:9
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.
Deuteronomy 28:45
“So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.
John 12:47
If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 2:25
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
James 4:11
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
Breaking God Law
Jeremiah 9:13
Acts 7:53
Psalm 119:150
Psalm 78:10
Nehemiah 9:16
2 Kings 17:19
Nehemiah 1:7
Nehemiah 9:34
Amos 2:4
Jeremiah 44:10
Jeremiah 44:23
Habakkuk 1:4
Nehemiah 9:26
Psalm 119:126
Psalm 119:136
Matthew 15:3
2 Kings 17:34
Ezra 7:26
James 2:10-11
Jeremiah 8:8
Daniel 9:5
Hosea 8:1
Matthew 14:4
Acts 23:3
James 2:9
James 2:11
Matthew 12:5
Acts 18:13

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com
 

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"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4)

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9)
Commandments
Deuteronomy 28:15
“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
1 Kings 9:6
“But if you or your sons indeed turn away from following Me, and do not keep My commandments and My statutes which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods and worship them,
Psalm 89:31
If they violate My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
Proverbs 28:9
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.
Deuteronomy 28:45
“So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.
John 12:47
If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 2:25
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
James 4:11
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
Breaking God Law
Jeremiah 9:13
Acts 7:53
Psalm 119:150
Psalm 78:10
Nehemiah 9:16
2 Kings 17:19
Nehemiah 1:7
Nehemiah 9:34
Amos 2:4
Jeremiah 44:10
Jeremiah 44:23
Habakkuk 1:4
Nehemiah 9:26
Psalm 119:126
Psalm 119:136
Matthew 15:3
2 Kings 17:34
Ezra 7:26
James 2:10-11
Jeremiah 8:8
Daniel 9:5
Hosea 8:1
Matthew 14:4
Acts 23:3
James 2:9
James 2:11
Matthew 12:5
Acts 18:13

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com

I will try to ask it again. Please show me in Genesis where it says Abraham kept the Sabbath? Or any verse that say that.


One more question was circumcision of Abraham before or after the covenant was made with God.
 

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I provided scripture to support my claim, are you claiming the scriptures are not accurate? I noticed you did not provide scriptures that refuted it.
The verses you provided are Scripture, but they don't support your assertion.