The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It

Why does it make sense to you to think that a just God demands obedience to laws even when they can't be obeyed? There are examples in the Bible of people being forgiven without offering sacrifices.

Why does it make sense to you to think that a just God demands obedience to laws even when they can't be obeyed? There are examples in the Bible of people being forgiven without offering sacrifices.

You are the one arguing for obedience to the Torah. You answer the question. I'm just holding you to account for the content of Scripture you CLAIM to follow... but obviously don't.

We are not required to follow laws when the conditions under which they should be followed are not met, such as with us not being required to follow laws in regard to temple practice when there is no temple in which to practice them.

The laws written or inscribed upon our hearts are those which are taken from stone tablets to be put on the tablets of our hearts..

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The laws written or inscribed upon our hearts are those which are taken from stone tablets to be put on the tablets of our hearts..

These ten commandments include loving God with all of our heart, soul,mind and understanding.

Any who have studied the written laws given to Moses will see immediately which laws are composing love, love of god, love of our enemy and love of our brethren.

Love has not been fulfilled unless we love eternally.

All the law which yet should be applied is included in the laws of love which have been inscribed upon the hearts of all who believe Jesus Yeshua..

Again, learn what Jesus Yeshua has taught us all and you will know this is so, for He has taught us by His Example and His supffering and His triumph for all who truly believe Him.

The laws may be inscribed in your heart, you belong to God it is evident to me, but know many wont obey the lord and will not follow the commandments but claim to believe in Jesus yet do not do the Father's will, even if the penalty of the law is paid in full they still refuse directions and do not follow his word. Many claim falsely that the commandments are no longer applicable, how wrong they are
You're either

Jesus said clearly, if you love me, follow my commandments, the same applies to the gentiles, as proof, he sent the disciples to the rest of the world. Jesus warned us about lawlessness.

We have to stop doing what we want and do what GOD asks us to do above all else and because we love him above all else.

Blessings Brother

You're either under the OT law or you're under the NT grace. You can't be both!

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes."

Well we have a major contradiction in scripture then, who will you believe? or are some interpretations faulty?

Remember Paul also said the law is good and just!

It is contradictory to think both that Gentiles were freed from the Torah and that Gentiles were never under the Torah, though both positions are wrong. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which means that if Gentiles were freed from that requirement, then Gentiles have no need of the Gospel and have no need for Jesus to have need for Jesus to have himself to free us form all lawlessness.


That is a false dichotomy, but rather God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His law (Psalms 119:29-30, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-13). Likewise, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27) and Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law (Romans 8:4-7).

Indeed and I have repented.

Jesus is God's word made flesh, so saying that he is the only way to salvation is the same as saying that us embodying God's word through following his example of obedience to it is the only way to salvation. It is contradictory to think that we are saved by faith in God's word made flesh, but not by faith in God's word. The way to put Jesus on the shelf is by putting God's word on the shelf. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to reject what he accomplished through the cross.


Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by telling us to have good luck or by telling us that he was just kidding about doing all those things, but rather he ended it by saying:

Matthew 7:24-27 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

In Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need to have perfect obedience or as something that is impossible for us to do. Moreover, there are many examples in the Bible of people who did keep God's law, such as those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

There is no contradiction, just a lack of understanding. It is critically important to whom words are spoken or written.

a) The law is good and just.
b) Christians are not under the law, but under grace.

The Old Covenant applies to the Jews only. The New Covenant applies to all who have accepted Christ as their savior.

for point B) let me put in my understanding, Christians are not under the penalty of the law is they repent, but under the grace of GOD.

Speaking of Grace, it is by the Grace of GOD that we exit, we breathe and live. He made us in His Image, this was made known to us since the beginning of GOD's creation, we owe GOD everything.

Jesus was clear, commandments for everyone, I have no doubt. We simply have different understanding.

I have a question, What are the differences between the old and new covenant?

The Old Covenant is the law and is binding on the Jews only.
The New Covenant is spiritual. Believers have their sins forgiven and become a part of Christ.

What does the new covenant say or do you want to avoid the question?

Also I can prove by quoting scripture that the old covenant was not bound to Jews only if you want.

Peace