As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

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Nehemiah6

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Bruce_Leiter said:
Anyway, I think that the mixing of the lines from believing Seth and unbelieving Cain is the best interpretation based on the context, but yours is possible
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That is not an interpretation but a misinterpretation and a dodge.

Nowhere in the Bible will you find that succeeding generations of any righteous man were all righteous. Even Noah's son Ham was unrighteous: And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. (Gen 9:22). Therefore Canaan was cursed by Noah: And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (Gen 9:25)

Furthermore, as pointed out by CV5, you must properly interpret what is in 2 Peter and in Jude about the angels who kept not their first estate. Angels are always called "sons of God" in the OT, but the saints are never called that in the OT.
 
JaumeJ

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Abraham believed God and this was counted as being righteous.
 
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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
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I absolutely agree. Thank you for telling the truth. On another Christian forum. I encountered lot of false brethren. Few tried bait tactics.
Not Many shepherds who teach sound doctrine.
Peace.
 
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PennEd said:
Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
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Apparently, according to your exegesis of Genesis 6, The angel Gabriel must have had sex with Mary.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Joseph came in unto Pharaoh (Gen. 41:14), Moses and Aaron came in unto Pharaoh, (Ex. 10:3), Paul received all who came in unto him. (Acts 28:30)

Or maybe "came in unto" does not always mean having sex with. Maybe entering the room a person is in could be what "coming in unto" sometimes means. Maybe demons taking up residence in human bodies, as seven demons did to Mary Magdalene, could be described as "coming in unto" those people. The case for demons having sex with humans is biblically very weak. More likely demons approached the women and offered to supernaturally upgrade their children's talents and powers, if they would worship the demons and allow them to live inside them.
 
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God is a spirit and so are his angels "30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." meaning they don't marry and are likely only men. The Lord can procreate because he is the maker of the universe. what can spirits do though? The Holy Spirit can enter a person and the fallen angels (demons) can possess people. The devil and his angels cannot create anything the only thing he can do is twist what God has already made.
 
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It is written that with God there is no male nor female. It is also written that He is Spirit, and would to be worshipped in Spirit and Truth. We are taught that we are made in His image,, niether men nor women are excluded. I understaand this very basic teaching by that wonderful gift of faith, and I would like to think most understand the same. Why in heaven's name would there be need of a male or female looking eternal child of God? I cannot grasp that idea.

A soul is a soul
 
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daisyseesthesun said:
God is a spirit and so are his angels "30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." meaning they don't marry and are likely only men. The Lord can procreate because he is the maker of the universe. what can spirits do though? The Holy Spirit can enter a person and the fallen angels (demons) can possess people. The devil and his angels cannot create anything the only thing he can do is twist what God has already made.
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All these objections have been asked and answered several times in this thread. Naturally I wouldn't expect someone to read 750+ comments, so I'll reiterate from post #32.
But the idea that God, or the angels are ONLY Spirit is Scripturally easy to refute. Jesus is God. He ate and drank, was able to be touched, and was in a physical body before AND after His Resurrection.

Angels also are recorded to have eaten, drank, and were touched, (see the whole Sodom and Gomorrah account). Also, Scripture tells us that WE may have entertained angels unaware. WE, are also spirit and flesh. Now read about the bodies angels that fell had, that they gave up to have sex with human women.

From Post #32
But I want to address one of the supposedly big points the “sons of God in Genesis 6 are human” crowd like to bring up this verse:
Matthew 22:30
New King James Version
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God IN HEAVEN.

This verse actually supports that the Angels had sex and procreated with human women.

In fact, this is the exact reason why they are in chains in Tartarus right now.

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Here Jude tells us these angels left their own “abode, or habitation” . They abandoned their heavenly bodies. The Greek word is “Oiketerion” .

This word is used only one other time in Scripture describing the heavenly body WE will receive upon our resurrection to be like the Angels IN HEAVEN.

2 Corinthians 5:2
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2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation (oiketerion) which is from heaven,

About as conclusive as you can get.

The sin the angels committed was of a sexual nature, NOT involving their heavenly bodies, NOT committed IN HEAVEN, resulting in imprisonment in the horrible place called Tartarus.

READ THIS AGAIN PLEASE
 
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PennEd said:
Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
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I won't argue with you, but I will point you to the genealogies in Genesis 3 and 5 that show the two lines from Adam through Cain and from Adam through Seth to Noah. Then, I'll say that the "sons of God" and "the daughters of men" are the people who mixed together the believing and unbelieving lineages to corrupt the earth.

Mat_5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Rom_8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
 
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Bruce_Leiter said:
I won't argue with you, but I will point you to the genealogies in Genesis 3 and 5 that show the two lines from Adam through Cain and from Adam through Seth to Noah. Then, I'll say that the "sons of God" and "the daughters of men" are the people who mixed together the believing and unbelieving lineages to corrupt the earth.

Mat_5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Rom_8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
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You are correct, sir.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Philippians 2:15
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1 John 3:1
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
The only scriptures which clearly define WHO "sons of God" are are found in the New Testament. Everyt single one og these passages I just posted points to believers aka human beings as being or becoming "sons of God" by faith. Who wrote the "New Testament"? the same God who wrote the Old Testament so it must mean the the same thing in the Old Testament.

The New Testament also clearly defines what IS NOT a "son of God"....."at any time". Angels, therefore have never been "sons of God".
“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?” Hebrews 1:5.
A "son" is a male individual, an "heir" "begotten" by a father. How are We begotten of The Father? By faith. It's always been that way and always will be.
 
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