The Gospels and the Mystery

Secondly, the style of argumentation cannot serve as a reliable basis for authorship given that the Kingdom Gospel remained consistent among all the apostolic writers. Furthermore, the very polished Greek styling within the original language of Hebrews doesn’t match up with what we can read in the Pauline letters in their original language of Greek.


MM

That's not what Jesus preached after He was baptized, so I'm not following what you're saying from just one short sentence. Jesus never preached a Gospel that included His death, burial and resurrection yet to come. When He sent His disciples out to preach, they did not even know of His coming death, burial and resurrection to preach as the Gospel that they preached to Israel only.

MM

“Jesus never preached a Gospel that included His death, burial and resurrection yet to come. “

Can you admit when you are completely wrong and it’s shown to you ? That’s the only way for us to learn

“And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭8:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. And they remembered his words,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

more than that the Old Testament prophets preached it many times over that’s where Paul’s doctrine came from

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭

Paul is an apostle of Jesus no different from Peter or John and there is no other gospel but the gospel Jesus himself first preached that saves anyone who will accept it, it’s not a good idea to preach other gospels

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is confirmed through signs and wonders, etc., and biblical references refer to Paul's confirmation via v.4. This authentication proves Paul’s apostleship 2 Cor. 12:12 and confirms the gospel Mark 16:20
Romans 15:18-19
King James Version
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
Acts 19:11-12
King James Version
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Acts 14:8-10, Acts 16:16-18
No, we don’t need extra-biblical proof to prove Paul’s authorship to the Hebrews. It’s already in the word, where Paul specifically stated his mark “token” is about grace. Though other Apostles may have used them, the Book of Hebrews mentions Timothy, his son in the faith perfectly fits being the author of it. Here is Peter’s testimony confirming Paul’s having written letters to his countrymen, the Jews:
2 Peter 3:15
King James Version
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Man, we don't need the Greek or Hebrew languages to prove Paul's authorship, frankly, you are not an expert in these languages just like me.

As I stated in a previous post, there is good reason to doubt Paul's authorship of the book of Hebrews, mainly that it was written by someone who was NOT an apostle, but worked closely with them. It's also a legitimate observation that Paul ALWAYS identified himself as the author in ALL his epistles, where in Hebrews, we see no such signature. Yes, Paul was indeed an apostle, something the author of Hebrews lever laid claim. The only address of an "apostle" in Hebrews was a reference to Christ Himself in 3:1.

MM

I have heard it said that Paul doesn't lay claim to the book of Hebrews as he does with his other epistles, because the Lord doesn't want the body of Christ thinking the book of Hebrews was written doctrinally to them, the body of Christ, but to the Hebrew people after the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Just a thought...

Everytime he preached the cross, it was to his disciples and his disciples had no clue what he was talking about. Peter even rebuked Jesus for mentioning his death.

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

I ask you, what is the gospel of the kingdom that the Lord and his disciples openly preached to the lost sheep of Israel? It certainly was not the Lord’s death, burial, and resurrection.

the gospel of the kingdom is the only true gospel it’s the same thing paul preached to both Jew and gentile. The flaw is you’ve created another gospel that’s for gentiles the gospel of the kingdom includes Jesus life d ministry siffering death resurrection and ascention to the throne in heaven . . But heres more scripture to prove it or more for you to dismiss I mean

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Let’s look at Paul’s words now

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no second gospel there’s one gospel it was first preached to Israel then after they rejected it it was preached to gentiles by the remnant who believed it .

There’s no other gospel

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It isnt a good idea to preach other gospels theres Gods gospel and then many false ones to hear Gods gospel we have to hear Jesus

Preaching the kingdom of God and preaching the gospel of the kingdom are two different things. Paul never preached the gospel of the kingdom, but the gospel of the grace of God. The gospel of the grace of God is the only gospel that should be preached during this dispensation. The gospel of the kingdom will once more be in effect during the tribulation.

Btw, Paul's gospel, the gospel of the grace of God, has gone out to all the world, preached to every creature under heaven, and made known to all nations. The end has not yet come because it is not the same as the gospel of the kingdom. This is clear.

As I stated in a previous post, there is good reason to doubt Paul's authorship of the book of Hebrews, mainly that it was written by someone who was NOT an apostle, but worked closely with them. It's also a legitimate observation that Paul ALWAYS identified himself as the author in ALL his epistles, where in Hebrews, we see no such signature. Yes, Paul was indeed an apostle, something the author of Hebrews lever laid claim. The only address of an "apostle" in Hebrews was a reference to Christ Himself in 3:1.

MM

No doubt, Paul may have used amunensis as he had his eye problem yet this does not mean he havent authored it. The author stated to have it written a few words as in v22 yet in turns out has a thirteenth chapter hence the author let someone do it for him and the mist probable is Timothy. The style of Paul addressing himself in his letters to the churches or personal letters is understandable for he was writing to the gentile readers and not the Jews. The absence of his name carries no weight of no Paul's authorship and there are many reasons why he did not intend to do it that way. No mentioning over hete but, a better witness Peter said he had written to Jews.

It doesn’t matter if Paul wrote Hebrews this is who paul was and note what he says in the end

“After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:7-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the argument over if Paul was one of the authors of Hebrews is irrelevant he was one only one of many witnesses of the gospel. Called to preach to both Jew and gentile. He’s just another apostle a great one like the rest but paup doesn’t have a monopoly on truth Hebrews is as true and relevant to chrirtians as any New Testament book

theres an idea tbat if Paul dodnt write it it isn’t for us that’s totally off base like he said there “I’m an apostle I worked harder than all of the apostles by Gods grace and it doesn’t matter which of us preached the gospel to you we preach it and then you believe it “

Hebrews is just like any other New Testament scripture whether Paul wrote parts of it or didn’t

Well, moving on, the idea here is that Paul and other apostles have preached the same gospel and I 👍 agree.

Yea it’s pretty clear I’d say lol

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But a lot of people try to remove Jesus words from salvation

No doubt, Paul may have used amunensis as he had his eye problem yet this does not mean he havent authored it.

The author stated to have it written a few words as in v22 yet in turns out has a thirteenth chapter hence the author let someone do it for him and the mist probable is Timothy. The style of Paul addressing himself in his letters to the churches or personal letters is understandable for he was writing to the gentile readers and not the Jews. The absence of his name carries no weight of no Paul's authorship and there are many reasons why he did not intend to do it that way. No mentioning over hete but, a better witness Peter said he had written to Jews.

Well, moving on, the idea here is that Paul and other apostles have preached the same gospel and I 👍 agree.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

This is one of many verses and contexts that remains so overlooked by the singular Gospel crowd.

The sentiments in favor of believing in a singular Gospel throughout, thus being forced by that former gospel message, which demanded the work of water baptism for the remission of sins, and then trying to intermix that with righteousness through faith, and thus saved by grace (unmerited favor), that is a paradoxical dichotomy...given that Abraham never, at any time, practiced nor taught water baptism.

Faith, apart from any work, as it applies to us today who are under the Gospel of Grace, works play not one solitary part in our salvation through the shed Blood of Christ Jesus, His burial and resurrection on the third day. Water baptism, although a very nice outward showing of something that has already happened, is not going to remit anyone's sins in any way. Believing that it does is a diminishment of the Blood of Christ for us. That is not true of those who were under the Kingdom Gospel, and will be under it in the tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom, but it is not at all binding upon us today.

The Law was in full force, even after the resurrection of Christ:

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

The Judaizers simply did not understand nor know the mystery revealed through Paul. They too were singular Gospel followers. They thought they were doing good service unto the Lord, but were working against the Lord and against Paul as it turned out.

In addition to myself, my Messianic brothers in the Lord Jesus Christ know precisely what this is saying, reading it in the non-Alexandrian Greek texts. We are not so Westernized that we are blinded by this Westernized form of Christianity that dabbles so deeply, and is therefore greatly infected, with the pathetic and feeble sentiments of replacement theology throughout. It's my hope that more who follow the corruptions of Westernized Christianity will break free of that warped mindset that the enemy of our souls has worked so hard to foist upon so many within the body of Christ.

MM