Understanding God’s election
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I can relate totally to what you're saying. No one can understand, let alone, actually believe the Gospel apart from having the Fear of the Lord WITHIN them! A deep dive into the various Wisdom Books in the OT will reveal this fact. So, it should not come as a surprise that the Fear of the Lord is a precious gift promised under the New Covenant! God bestows that godly disposition into his people's hearts (Jer 32:36-41). Another gift that is given that is passively received by helpless people. How merciful is a our Great God and Savior!?
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How does such a one obey the command to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ when he is not and cannot be subject to the law of God?
Are you suggesting that he must first be altered from this estate by being born from above for this to transpire? If so, you would be correct. This is exactly what happens in Acts 2:37. If you take the time to read it, you will see the work of God altering their estate. And the outcome is their willingness to respond to the word of God that Peter espouses...v.38.
Are you suggesting that he must first be altered from this estate by being born from above for this to transpire? If so, you would be correct. This is exactly what happens in Acts 2:37. If you take the time to read it, you will see the work of God altering their estate. And the outcome is their willingness to respond to the word of God that Peter espouses...v.38.
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Such simple-minded thinking! And doesn't the same God who knows all also decree all the means to his ends? Maybe you're more deistic in your thinking than what you realize.... Our place is not question God's commands but to faithfully, trusting that his Word will not return to him void.
And how would God be unjust? Would he be unjust if he saved no one and allowed everyone to do what is right in their own eyes?
And how would God be unjust? Would he be unjust if he saved no one and allowed everyone to do what is right in their own eyes?
Several verses in the Gospels we see Jesus telling the crowds of people "come unto me" followed by "and I will give you rest, peace, and such."
That means those people had to "choose " to come or to reject the invitation. And we know more rejected the invitation compared to those who accepted.
That means those people had to "choose " to come or to reject the invitation. And we know more rejected the invitation compared to those who accepted.
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We repent because God rescues his people from power of sin, the the flesh and the devil. How can God "force" the helpless to do anything. Straight thinking people realize that helpless people are powerless and that when someone rescues it's an act of mercy and grace, such as seen in Good Samaritan Parable. Did the Good Samaritan force himself upon the "half dead" crime victim?
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Not in the context of that particular passage. Besides, being chosen by God to play a designated role in his kingdom cannot be understood apart from people already being saved -- unless, of course,you think the passage is talking about the Nebuchadnezzars or Cyrus' of this world. True, conscious, acknowledged service to God, however, demands godly servants.
Nope, nope, nope... we can't have that, people have to be regenerated first.
You see god set it up so that no one can believe unless He lets them!
It brings god a lot of glory cause apparently he is lacking otherwise.
It is in the scripture ... just cut and paste a few verses together out of context and you can see it too!
......and where it states "believe" in your mind you have to make so that means "gifted belief" cause that is actually the right way, it is just that one has to become a Calvinists to see it!
You see god set it up so that no one can believe unless He lets them!
It brings god a lot of glory cause apparently he is lacking otherwise.
It is in the scripture ... just cut and paste a few verses together out of context and you can see it too!
......and where it states "believe" in your mind you have to make so that means "gifted belief" cause that is actually the right way, it is just that one has to become a Calvinists to see it!