Concerning the gift of tongues

and what fruit is he showing that makes him like those he speaks against? and you aren't exactly one to be talking about fruit since you show a lot of negative fruit a lack of love or kindness and you make false accusations against a fellow brother in Christ and purposely go after him

Sooooooooooooo... if someone claimed that Jesus enabled him to move mountains and he claimed to have done it many times, would you simply believe him. If he claimed that he moved Mt. Hood to Iowa would you simply accept his claim without expecting to see evidence of the event?

Remember use your reasoning to answer not common sense.

even if it means
likeness that still speaks of a literal manifestation and even if not which I doubt what do you think the firre means in this context?

No one is "pooh-poohing" Christians in general just the ones who claim supernatural gifts without evidence.

At least Simon Magus had parlor tricks and was willing to pay.

and what evidence are you looking for on an online forum?

His claims of supernatural gifts are no different in validity then those he calls charlatans.

on what basis? what discredits him?

I actually need to apologize to you @ocean I kept calling you a him but your female my bad

also you didn't answer my question what evidence are you looking for? because here is what I think see the thing is the good thing about being online is people tend to show what is truly in their hearts being behind a screen and all from what
I have seen your issue is the fact you refuse to believe in the gift or anyone claiming it so even if evidence was provided you would just try to find a way to disprove it anyways and your disbelief clouds your view of anyone claiming such a gift and really I don't think you particularly like ocean at that so all of this on top of each other marks you for what your heart says

and ddin't Jesus say an evil generation seeks a sign? they wanted from Jesus the same thing your wanting from ocean

I do not search for evidence of the claims of others.

Those who claim must prove.

The burden of proof is on the Pentecostals and their ilk.

It is certainly not on the ones who are exposed to their baseless claims.

There are many people who claim to possess the spiritual gift of supernatural healing, are you in need of healing, do you seek them out?

Would you even need to seek them out? Are there none among their ranks to help you?

We do not live in an age of the miraculous but in an age of faith without sight. And we are blessed for it.

And those who claim otherwise are but carnal minded and seeking signs.

I suggest you stay away from them. They are modern day versions of Simon Magus, attempting to claim what they do not have.

Don't you read the Bible?!?? It says to TEST THE SPIRITS!

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I'm astounded that you don't know that! That's part of Basic Christianity 101.


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What discredits ocean is the same thing that discredits the charlatans. Ocean and the charlatans have nothing to prove the validity of their claims. Yet Ocean calls them "charlatans" so why should Ocean's claims be considered valid.

So if someone claims that they moved Mt. Hood to Iowa you will "test the spirits" to validate his claim???

You would do no such thing! There is no spirit to test, just a bogus claim.

This is Basic Christianity 101.
Proverbs 13:16
"All who are prudent act with knowledge, but fools expose their folly."

It would be folly to entertain such a claim. Are you exposed?

The difference between Ocean and myself is that Ocean does not believe the claims of the charlatans but I don't believe either one of them.

yes and ocean would be correct in not believing the claims of the charlatans but your disbelief goes against even scripture itself and so again I ask the following questions what evidence are you seeking and on what basis do you discredit ocean or was I correct in my summary of you?
besides your disbelief in the gift what discredits oceans claims?

People may reject and mock speaking in tongues because of peer pressure and to fit in. But it is not a good practice to mock God's gifts and claim to be talking for God, but they don't know what they a e saying.

• The gift of tongues is for today
• The gift of tongues did not stop by the time the Bible was completed.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If the disciples were commanded to teach others to observe everything they were taught, then speaking in tongues and teaching others to speak in tongues would be contained in what the disciples taught others to do and to teach others. There could be no expiry date on tongues and other gifts, based on these scriptures.

You claim to be a Christian. Can you prove it? Should you have to prove it by performing some miracle someone challenges you to perform to prove it? You are sounding like the guy who challenged Jesus to prove He was the Son of God by turning stones into bread, or leaping off the temple.

My response to your call for proof is the same as Jesus'. "It is written..." That is enough proof that tongues are a gift from God for the church and still operate today.

I wonder why someone who think like you would believe anything in the Bible. How does your faith differ from the blind faith of any other devotee of any other religion?

It's really strange how unnaturally aggressive you are over something you don't believe. I think that this aggression has to do with fearing the Holy Spirit at work in other Christians' lives who are open to this gift.

Or it could be an ungodly influence from elsewhere making you unnaturally aggressive to try to discourage people from receiving such gifts from the Holy Spirit.

Anyway, it's not going to stop me and I don't even care if you're being unnaturally aggressive and making false accusations. At the end of the day this is what God wants me to have and I'm not going to refuse it from Him.

Ironically, your unnatural aggression shows me that the gift of speaking in tongues from the Holy Spirit is important in these last days which are fast drawing to a close.

Ephesian 6:12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So yeah, I'm hanging on to this gift from the Holy Spirit!

For the future people reading this:
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I urge you dear reader to study the Bible for yourself without any preconceived ideas about speaking in tongues or any of the other gifts. Ask the Holy Spirit about anything you don't understand and He will explain it to you. Also trust Him as you receive the gift.

Once you receive it, don't abuse it! Don't show it off - especially to unbelievers and mockers! It is meant to build the church up with interpretation and for your own edification in private. Don't let anyone intimidate you about it - they either fear it or are under the influence of spirits that don't want you exercising this gift because of it's power to build up you or the church (with interpretation) - in these last days such strengthening and building up is extremely important.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

In closing:

1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.


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