Questions about Adam and Eve

You said "use violence and murder", so why did you stopped at murder, and ignored violence ?
The correct question should be : Please tell me one person here who has been violent toward someone 🙂



I hope I understand your comment, as human understanding of the holiness of God is limited and shaped by cultural contexts, personal experiences, and religious teachings which can create varied interpretations.

The comparison to cleanliness standards in your lab is a strong one, really interesting. It suggests that even minor infractions are not tolerated in the divine perspective. For me, I don’t think God expects perfection from us, as no one on this earth can be perfect except God. It’s important to recognize that people can strive for goodness in their own ways, even if they don’t meet those exact standards, and God will accept their efforts, including their small sins.




So, the answer is Hell as I expected. 🙂
Again, similarly in Islam, Muslims believe that those who do not believe in Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam will go to Hell.

You said "use violence and murder", so why did you stopped at murder, and ignored violence ?
The correct question should be : Please tell me one person here who has been violent toward someone 🙂



I hope I understand your comment, as human understanding of the holiness of God is limited and shaped by cultural contexts, personal experiences, and religious teachings which can create varied interpretations.

The comparison to cleanliness standards in your lab is a strong one, really interesting. It suggests that even minor infractions are not tolerated in the divine perspective. For me, I don’t think God expects perfection from us, as no one on this earth can be perfect except God. It’s important to recognize that people can strive for goodness in their own ways, even if they don’t meet those exact standards, and God will accept their efforts, including their small sins.




So, the answer is Hell as I expected. 🙂
Again, similarly in Islam, Muslims believe that those who do not believe in Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam will go to Hell.

Since you expected the answer, it shows that you have some knowledge of what Christians believe.

Since you expected the answer, it shows that you have some knowledge of what Christians believe.

What is the basis of salvation for Muslims?

Believing in a mass murdering paedophile? Sorry, I do not. Mohamed did not die for anyone's sins. He murdered anyone who mocked or opposed him. He used lies and deception to gain power by worldly methods. He was no different from any other dictator, be it Napoleon, Stalin or Hitler. Mohamed claimed supernatural status, that is all.

Jesus is alive now, ruling and reigning on high. For now, God's mercy tolerates His enemies and those who reject His Son. That mercy will one day turn to judgement. Mohamed can't save you now and will not save you on judgement day. If you want peace in your heart, with God and even yourself, you need Jesus. There is no other name given under heaven that can save you.

Christians believe in Jesus, who led no army, started no wars, forgave those who opposed Him, and who died for those who hated Him without cause. Jesus was entirely righteous. No one could bring any charge that could be proven against Him. I choose Jesus over any other human alive or dead. I've proven His love, faithfulness, power, mercy and grace for 50 years now.

I have gained some knowledge about Christianity since I began my journey here to seek answers to my questions. I will continue my search until I find a sense of understanding and logic in the answers.
You know what, I have gained even more knowledge about Islam during this journey 😁




Good question, but I don't believe salvation in Islam is the same as in Christianity. I think salvation is granted by God's mercy in Islam. A Muslim commits to certain beliefs that guide their faith and actions toward achieving salvation in the afterlife. Beliefs such as : belief in the oneness of God, the prophets, the scriptures, the angels, the Day of Judgment, and divine predestination - good deeds and rightouse actions - sincerely repenting for sins and seeking forgiveness from God - The five pillars of Islam..etc




That indicates you have not a clear understanding of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or might have received misinformation from unreliable and biased sources. It is quite funny what you have said.



There is a similarity in Islam regarding the belief that Jesus is alive now, really interesting.




It is interesting to hear about your 50 years of faith.
I'll see, I think there is a reason I found my way to this site, and I hope I will uncover valuable insights that will help address my questions and inquiries.

I have gained some knowledge about Christianity since I began my journey here to seek answers to my questions. I will continue my search until I find a sense of understanding and logic in the answers.
You know what, I have gained even more knowledge about Islam during this journey 😁




Good question, but I don't believe salvation in Islam is the same as in Christianity. I think salvation is granted by God's mercy in Islam. A Muslim commits to certain beliefs that guide their faith and actions toward achieving salvation in the afterlife. Beliefs such as : belief in the oneness of God, the prophets, the scriptures, the angels, the Day of Judgment, and divine predestination - good deeds and rightouse actions - sincerely repenting for sins and seeking forgiveness from God - The five pillars of Islam..etc




That indicates you have not a clear understanding of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or might have received misinformation from unreliable and biased sources. It is quite funny what you have said.



There is a similarity in Islam regarding the belief that Jesus is alive now, really interesting.




It is interesting to hear about your 50 years of faith.
I'll see, I think there is a reason I found my way to this site, and I hope I will uncover valuable insights that will help address my questions and inquiries.

That is accurate, although the command was given to Adam before Eve was made from Adam. Just clarifying that since it is not clear in the text who informed Eve, and she did add to what God had said to Adam when she was recounting to the serpent what God had commanded. Their expulsion from the Garden of Eden was to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life, though Jesus, Who had the keys to life and death, was promised in Genesis 3:15 which is called the Protoevangelium. Also, some claim Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life before their expulsion, but that is nowhere in the text, and a proper reading of Scripture does not inform of of this, quite the contrary. Also some say the lie Satan told was that they would become like God to know good and evil, but God agreed with that assessment. The lie Satan told was that they would not surely die. That lie is repeated to this very day.


Genesis 2:17

If Islam is such a religion of peace, why is it necessary to threaten to kill anyone who departs from Islam?

If "allah" is so powerful, how come Israel has prevailed over 22 hostile Muslim nations that surround her? 9 million Israelis have withstood the violence of 150 million plus Muslims.

But please don't try to deceive others about Islam.

Really interesting 🙂
While I'm not here to discuss the points you have raised as I'm on a different journey seeking peace and clarity, you've sparked my curiosity and encouraged me to consider your question from a new perspective.

If Christianity is such a religion of truth, can you tell me why do all Christian countries implement punitive measures, such as imprisoning thieves and killers, when the Bible & Christ himself emphasize forgiveness and repentance rather than such actions? Why do these nations act in ways that contrary to the teachings of their faith?

Let us delve deeper, what if both your question and mine came from human interpretations and complexities surrounding religion, rather than the original messages of the prophets or messengers? this complexity may be an unnecessary aspect found in every religion. Could this concept hold some truth?




if "God" is so powerful, how come He allow his son Christ to be crucified and killed by his enemies? How come He allow His enemies to kill other prophets/messengers? How come He allow the challenges and suffering that many prophets/messengers faced while delivering their messages to their communities?

You know what, the interesting part of your statement about Israel leads me to expect that you are agree with the massacre and Genocide being carried out in Gaza by Israeli occupation. Is my expectation correct? 😅




I don't know why you say that.
Just look back at my posts on this site, you'll see that I've clearly stated I'm seeking answers to gain a better understanding of Christianity. I notice that you and others often pose questions that seem to criticize Islam in bad way, while I have never asked anything that disrespects your religion or Christ. Your unrelated questions compel me to respond, which diverts me from my main purpose/journey here.

According to Muslims, as reported by a number of sources, including Islamic, Mohamed is the "ideal man". He apparently is the role model for Islam. How do Muslims behave now? Pakistan and most other Muslim nations have blasphemy laws. The penalty is death.

I do not accept Mohamed as a prophet of God. If I said that publicly in Afghanistan or most other Muslim nations, I would be killed. Billions of people do not accept Jesus as the Son of God. They can say so without fear of being murdered.

Iraq has lowered the age of consent to 9, based on Mohamed's sexual relations with his wife who he married when she was 6. I won't go on, although I could.

As to forgiveness, sin is a debt that we owe God. The price of that debt is death. God's justice demands that the penalty be paid. Humanity hates to see the guilty walk free. God is perfect in all His judgements and no one just walks free on God's whim.

However, in a human court, there is a way for the guilty to be free. If someone else pays the debt, the guilty one can go free. However, the one who pays must have sufficient resources. Who can provide a good enough death? All sinners are dead already, so they are in that sense bankrupt. Only one Man ever was innocent and therefore able to pay the debt such that God was satisfied. That man is Jesus. He offered Himself as the propitiation for all the sins of all mankind. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." Isaiah, chapter 53, foretold the sacrifice that Jesus would make hundreds of years later.

That is the difference between Christianity and every other religion.

There is no such thing as a "Christian" country. Not yet, anyway. When Jesus returns, He will institute His reign which will be perfect in every way.

The percentage of Christians is small in most countries. So governments must regulate accordingly. If there was no crime, there would be no need for laws. God forgives sin, but there are conditions. There is also the principle of sowing and reaping. If a Christian has a brain snap and decides to rob a bank, God will forgive the sin. But the Christian will reap what he has sown from the secular authorities.

God did not just allow Jesus to be killed by His enemies. Jesus volunteered. Jesus said that no one took His life from Him. As we've said before, sin incurs a debt that no one can pay. All mankind is spiritually bankrupt. The wages of sin is death. All people are born dead in trespass and sin. So we have nothing with which to pay the debt.

Jesus was the only sinless man. So He had the right to pay for the sin of the world. Muslims, so I understand, believe the Old Testament. Read Isaiah 53 and you will see God's plan of salvation centuries before it came to pass.

Jesus sacrificed His life so that sinners might live. That includes you and me.

I reject your claim that Israel is committing genocide or massacres. Tell me what army warns civilians of impending attacks? Has Hamas warn Israeli citizens they were about to be attacked? Around 75% of Gaza's buildings have been destroyed. There are still around 2 million Gazans. Israel is destroying Hamas tunnels and Hamas firing points. Hamas chooses to build tunnels under civilian infrastructure. It's not surprising if a building collapses when the tunnels is destroyed.

The only groups threatening genocide are Israel's enemies. They are predominately Muslim. That's just the way it is, not an anti Muslim slur. Muslims danced in the streets on the 7th of October. Have you watched the footage recorded by Hamas terrorists? Did you hear the recording of the Hamas fighter who range his family to boast that he had killed Jewish parents and their children? You do know what "from the river to the sea" means, I'm sure.

I suggest that you look up the definitions of "massacre" and "genocide". 2 million Israeli Arabs live in peace in Israel, apart from being attacked by Israel's enemies from time to time. There is no genocide, no massacre and no apartheid.

Christianity is not a national thing, unlike Islam. Many Western nations base their criminal codes on the Bible. That is changing as those nations increasingly turn from God. Islam is a theocracy. That has is not the case in America, for example, even if it is a supposedly Christian nation. The constitution requires separation of church and state.

Jesus warned His followers that the world would hate us. The world, especially the religious, hated Him first. To understand God's dealings with Israel requires us to know the terms of the covenant God made with Israel. That's a huge subject. I'm happy to discuss that, but it's too extensive for this forum. If you wish, I will give you my email address and we can discuss the issue that way.

I do not hate anyone. I wish that all men would be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. My life has not been easy. Being a Christian does not mean exemption from life's trials. However, Jesus is my Lord, my Saviour and my Friend. He has been with me at my lowest points in life. As the Bible says, "many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all." Does Mohamed come to your aid when life gets too much? Do you have peace even in life's trials and tribulations? I do. You could too. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not merely an ideal man or a role model in Islam, he is a prophet of God, just like Jesus. This means he holds a significance that goes beyond what you have mentioned.

I don't understand what the issue with the death penalty? you are speaking as if there is no death penalty in your country or elsewhere. Regardless of the penalty for speaking or committing a crime, the death penalty exists in many places around the world.



Extremism exists everywhere, but it is relatively rare and can be counted on one hand. Yet, people often overlook the larger context - the big white page — and instead focus solely on a small black dot that requires a telescope to see. You just overlook the depth and beauty of Islam and focus only on minor points.

For me, I am striving to embrace the full picture of Christianity to foster a deeper understanding and draw comparisons that highlight the beauty and values of both religions, so enriching my perspective on faith and spirituality.

BTW, there are non-Muslims working in Afghanistan who are not harmed when discussing their religion. You can go to Afghanistan and explore this for yourself rather than relying solely on what you hear.



I already told you that you have misinformation or have received information from biased or unreliable sources.



It is quite simple in Islam, God offers His mercy and forgiveness if you just sincerely repent for your sins and commit not to repeat them, Muslims do not require someone to sacrifice themselves for their sins because they have a direct connection to God to repent and seek forgiveness.

Your responses make me appreciate and love @Magenta more and more. Magenta is is truly exceptional on this site.

I'll return to address your above statements, which are filled with some funny ideas 🙂

I do not agree, of course. However, there is a more important issue that no religion can address. (Christianity is not a religion). Everyone is born spiritually dead. This is according to God's warning to Adam forbidding him from eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You may ask, "Why spiritually?" It's obviously not physical as Adam and Eve were alive physically even after eating the fruit. It is also not the soul because man could still think, reason, feel and choose, aspects of the soul. But Adam and Eve hid from God. Their one act of disobedience separated them from God. God sent them out of Eden. That is spiritual death. Everyone descended from Adam is dead in trespass and sin.

There is nothing that anyone can do to make themselves alive. Jesus said that He came that we might have life. There is only one word for life in English, but three in Greek. The Greeks have a word for life that is in the body, "bio". There is life in the soul, "psuche". There is also spiritual life, which is eternal, "zoe". The life Jesus came to give is "zoe" life. Why? because that is the great lack of sinful humanity. Yes, we need forgiveness for our sins. That is not enough to get us into heaven. Would you allow a dead person to be with you constantly? God also will have no death in His dwelling place.

You may ask, "What about Jesus?" Jesus is the only man born without the sinful, dead nature. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not by Joseph. So the nature of Jesus is God, not man. Jesus said, "I am from above". He is the only who could claim that truthfully.

This is the reason why Jesus had to die on the cross. God accepted the death of His Son as the death of all mankind. But Jesus did not stay dead. He rose again and ascended into heaven. God includes humanity in the resurrection of Jesus also. That is what it means to be born again. God still does not violate man's will. In order to be born again, a person must accept God's remedy for death. Most people refuse because they are too proud, too stubborn or too rebellious - or all three. That's also why very often people only turn to God when they are at their lowest point. We must see our need before we will do anything about it.

Informative, appreciated.

It is interesting and funny, truly 🙂
Well, let me ask you and give me your point of view please

If someone on this earth lives a normal life, treats others well, and does not harm anyone, let's say they have no serious sins, or perhaps only minor ones like the white lies we all tell, but they do not believe in Jesus salvation or any other religion, yet they believe in God and the Last Day, living a life of love, compassion, respect, and integrity.

What will be their outcome in the end? Would God send them to Hell?

Be careful, deep religious extremism is indeed a flaw in any religion.