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So, what do you conclude from all this? It's a guaranteed headache to read it all.

Once again... People who don't speak in tongues telling those who do, what they are and how they should be used. Thus trumpeting their ignorance.

Thanks for proving my point.

Once again... People who don't speak in tongues telling those who do, what they are and how they should be used. Thus trumpeting their ignorance.

Only one or two quotes? Which ones?

Which ones?

How can you prove that no one in the congregation is speaking a language of any kind?

"We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it..." Why would Peter say that if he was talking about the OT scriptures? Where's the news? 2 Peter 1:19-21 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and...

That means, "Above all, you must understand..." Must understand what? "... that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things." This is talking about the prophecy BEFORE it was scripture, NOT scripture by itself. 2 Peter 1:19-21 We also have the prophetic...

I disagree. The point is about prophecy, not about scripture. The example is scripture, but not the point. Scripture has its basis in prophecy. The written word (of prophecy) was the spoken word originally. He is qualifying NT prophecy. Why would he need to tell the church to pay attention to...

@MadHermit My views on the body, soul, and spirit feed into this topic. These views are highly debatable. So debate rather than attack. Here's how I define the terms. body: The physical part of our being that is temporal. soul: The individuality of our being. The part that leaves the body...

Nope. His statement is additive, not subtractive. "We also have..." And the reference is to prophecy not the Bible. 2 Peter 1:16-19 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17...

Did Peter discount his experience? I doubt it. Are you referring to the more sure word of prophecy? I don't think that was in reference to scripture.

Nope. They wouldn't be called the fruit of the Spirit if they were really just the acts of the flesh. And given the motives you attributed, how could these folks be "saved" by your definition?

I think we need to check your math. lol Shouldn't those numbers add up to 100 percent?

Is there a video to watch or something? How would we know if a tongue was "genuine"? I'm not sure I even understand the question. Who could ever say for sure? All I could do is give an opinion that you would probably disagree with. Mostly because you are an "expert" on tongues, right?

We always insist that the snake handlers NOT put the snake down. So that you will be able to tell the difference between us and them. lol If you think that's ridiculous, read what you wrote. lol - Wow. Seriously?

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Ephesians 5:8-10 NKJV For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light...

You wrote: "2: Salvation is not limited to the Spirit-filled church only. " How is it then that those outside what you call "the Spirit-filled church" demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit? Is this not a work of the Holy Spirit within them? Thus evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit. ???

Thanks for the heads-up. There are also many who believe that the Holy Spirit comes through water baptism. They call it Chrismation. To me, baptism is a ceremony. A ceremony is an outward sign (testimony) of an inward reality. It is merely symbolic. Though oftentimes God will use it in...