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Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed response. I appreciate it. If that is your position, then you also have to believe that anyone who does not speak in tongues does not have the Holy Spirit. It would also follow that you believe that those who do not have the Holy Spirit and the evidence...

@Waggles With what do you disagree?

Good point. Your topic title uses the term "True Christians". What does that mean?

Are you agnostic? If you can't believe a personal testimony, there is no reason for you to believe the Bible. 1 John 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Are you agnostic? If you can't believe a personal testimony, there is no reason for you to believe the Bible. 1 John 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

That proves my point. Thanks.

Well, that's ironic. Isn't that what Pentecostals and Charismatics are accused of doing? Gibberish is "unintelligible words". Right?

Yup, all good. I haven't really had a problem with you since. "What behavior would cause us to conclude that someone is drunk?" Acts 2:13, 15 13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.” ... 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the...

Do you remember how many dislike votes you gave me that day? A dozen or two. And it wasn't you as much as the gang of thugs that follow you. They carried on the dirty work for several days (weeks?) after you quit. Anyway... I don't hold grudges, so... "What behavior would cause us to conclude...

Penn claimed I was saying that "Holy, uncontrolled laughter", etc. was involved, but I never said that. (his words only) My only point all along was what the passage actually says. Some thought they were drunk. And I have asked the question a half dozen times. "What behavior would cause us to...

Like you would never do that? lol You made me feel quite unwelcome, by the way.

What behavior would cause us to conclude that someone is drunk? Fluency in unknown languages is not one of them. Acts 2:13, 15 13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.” ... 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!

Last time I checked, Pentecost came AFTER the Ascension.

I agree that we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon conversion. But that is NOT the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is tied to the outpouring at Pentecost. Acts 1:4-5 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not...

A bit of context will help. This says that prophecy is edifying. And that the interpretation of tongues is edifying. Therefore if the message in a prophecy is edifying and the interpretation of tongues is edifying, then the message in tongues was edifying. Or, the same as prophecy. 1...

Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful post. My spiritual path went in the opposite direction of yours. And frankly, we agree on a few of the concerns and points you made. I was raised in an evangelical protestant community church with a strong world mission emphasis. My parents were...

In first Corinthians chapter fourteen, the Apostle Paul is comparing prophecy with speaking in tongues. He puts tongues on equal footing with prophecy, if someone interprets, so the church is edified. (built up) 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I...

What test are those? I want to compare notes. Can you define prophecy while you are at it? Thanks.

Really? When did God say that? (especially the - "made up or are from demons" - part)

Most? You believe some are? (of one mind and one accord on the subject)