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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    I'm not denying that God has the Sovereign right to deal with us as He sees fit and I openly admit that if He were to give me Justice I could not argue against His decision to send me to the gallows. But that's not the point I'm making. What I'm doing is questioning HUMAN INTERPRETATION that...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    Yet again you make very bold assertions with nothing to back up your opinion. For the sake of peace we'll call it a day. End of.
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    anything God does is Justice. When God said to Saul to destroy all the Amalekites' women and children HE was Justice. WB: Asking YOU what YOU think is entirely relevant because YOU make the claim when YOU say “Because God is Doing it” that YOU are God’s Spokesman. I have asked you for a...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    It is true that God's ways are higher than ours etc but you have committed the logical fallacy of 'begging the question' in that you assume that God considers it just for a man to be tortured for eternity even though he may have lived as a sinner for 1000 years. If you put eternity on one side...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    To suggest that I have brought an indictment against God in my response to your question: "Is it just for him [a wilful stubborn sinner]to cease to exist?" is a false proposition. I have asked you if it is justice to torture a sinner for eternity even if he lived for 1000 years as a wilful...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    I will respond by saying -stating the obvious - God is the life-giver. And as the Sovereign He has the right to take life. To address your specific point. Is it just to torture a man for eternity for sins committed in a lifespan of even 1000 years? I think not. But there is no injustice in...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    I'm not asking out of context e.g. I'm not asking those relevant questions in the context of the Wall Stree index. I'm asking those questions in the context of this subject thread.
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    It does rather sound like you want those who reject God to suffer eternal torture in the Lake of Fire. Is that really just? Even IF a sinner lived for, say, 1,000 years and committed sins wilfully, is it justice to burn him for eternity? Now that's all very interesting but I - and I dare say...
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    No. It does not assist in t But will you be specific about Hell? What is Hell? Is it a real place i.e. a geographical location? What is the difference,if any, between Hell, Sheol, Hades, Gehenna?
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    You have said that "a lot of things in Revelation are allegorical....the Lake of Fire is not." If you accept the premise that Scripture explains Scripture can you give a Scripture based argument for you assertion about the Lake of Fire?
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    And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

    Would you explain what Sheol Hades Hell and Gehenna are and what the Lake of Fire is and in the context of Revelation which is written in symbolic language?
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    WB: I should like to ask what evidence is there that Judas was saved before he betrayed Jesus? And is it not the case that His followers didn't receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER His crucifixion and resurrection?
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    https://www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/is-there-a-difference-between-once-saved-always-saved-and-the-perseverance-of-the-saints Is “once saved, always save” the same as the perseverance of the saints? In the strictest sense, I think they mean the same thing; namely, those whom God has saved, He...
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    That you view the Scripture-based reasoning of R C Sproul in such a derogatory manner says a great deal about your mindset.
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    The more of you that you put into theological matters the further away you move from God. And that applies to me too....and everyone else.
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    You're making the same mistake as another forum member in that YOU are viewing the subject matter through the lens of a fallen corrupt man - just like me and the rest of us - instead of lowering yourself and TAKING ON BOARD THE PERSPECTIVE FROM GOD's VIEW. This may help...
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    The problem with your 'argument' against depravity is this: you are looking at things from YOUR perspective. And your perspective as a fallen corrupt sinful man, just like me, is totally worthless. Instead of projecting YOUR notions of what YOU consider to be 'good' and 'bad' you would be doing...
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    Okay. Your humility is very refreshing and such a mindset can lead to a correct and deeper understanding of who God is....and you may find this article - it's quite lengthy but well worth reading - by highly regarded theologian, R C Sproul, sadly no longer with us, most enlightening...
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    I haven't seen anything from you - apart from bold assertions - in the way of Scripture to support your opinion. If you accept the definition below as describing total depravity accurately please show where it is unscriptural. https://www.prca.org/fivepoints/chapter1.html Extract: “The result...
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    Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

    It's the Bible that informs my views - not opinions of men. If you accept the definition below as describing total depravity accurately please show where it is unscriptural. https://www.prca.org/fivepoints/chapter1.html Extract: “The result of the fall is total depravity or corruption. By this...